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Date: 01/01/2024 04:29:53
white snake
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Also, my own research indicates that the +1 defender rebounds at his nominal position


This is true. The rebounding position doesn't "move around" with the +1 defender

Thanks Justin, this is something new (for me). The old games indicated, that the +1 moved around, but than it was a wrong conclusion from the data.

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I guess that which position to guard will affect the decision of +1 (the one who plays man-to-man).

During the middle of the 59th season, I bought a defensive player (48388362).
Regardless of OD, ID, or SB, he is the best defender on the team.
I wanted to test out the Box-and-one strategy, but upon watching the match replay, I found that he doesn't seem to be the +1 player.
It happens in two games, both using the Inside Box and One strategy.
In one game, I had him guard the SF position (setting), and in another game, he guarded the PG position (setting).

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Date: 01/03/2024 06:10:37
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In one game, I had him guard the SF position, and in another game, he guarded the PG position.

What do you mean with "you had him guard"? The +1 defender is calculated by the engine and the engine also decides, who he is going to guard. You can set him up as SF and play than Inside Box. The engine will decide, who the "best" opposing outside player is and your +1 will guard him. If this is the PG, your +1 will switch from SF to PG on defense. As far as I know, we managers have no influence on the directly guarded position in a Box defense (for the +1).

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In one game, I had him guard the SF position, and in another game, he guarded the PG position.

What do you mean with "you had him guard"?
My intention refers to the setting in "I want my... to play defense as..." section.



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Date: 01/04/2024 01:52:46
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In one game, I had him guard the SF position, and in another game, he guarded the PG position.

What do you mean with "you had him guard"?
My intention refers to the setting in "I want my... to play defense as..." section.



But this should not apply to the +1 defender in the Box.

My understanding:
Your SF is your best defender.
You set him to defend the opposing PG.

Now you play one of the Box defenses.
The best opposing player is e.g. the SG.
Your +1 should switch now to defend the SG.
So the Box overrules your setting. The other positions set up the Box.

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Date: 01/04/2024 02:50:54
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This is true. The rebounding position doesn't "move around" with the +1 defender



So if my best inside defender, lets say he happens to be my best rebounder also, is appointed to guard @ SG position he will grab much less rebounds than if he was appointed to guard the C position. Great stuff

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Date: 01/04/2024 04:40:27
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Read second Justin post.. He said that rebounding position is not affected by this defense and your players rebounds on their nominal positions (ones that you set before game).

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Yes, thank you that is what I undertstood in the first place, just wanted to confirm

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Date: 01/04/2024 08:30:59
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If my interpretation of those two games is correct,
I guess that
inside box and one refers to choosing the "best" defensive player among the players who defend the PF and C positions,
while outside box and one refers to selecting the "best" defensive player among those defending the PG and SG positions.

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Date: 01/04/2024 09:26:37
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As Justin said:

Also, when playing Outside Box and One the +1 defender calculation is more affected by OD. When playing Inside Box and One the +1 defender calculation is more affected by ID.


Does that mean your +1 defender will be your PF/C? No... I think it might be that if your PF/C are the ones with the highest OD+ID(+bonus)+SB formula, but maybe someone have a SG with great ID and it chooses him over their PF/C, right?


Then in order to play a great box+1, should we focus our gameplan in a different way? I don't know if this might be true but...

1. Try to imagine who is going to be the best offensive player of rival team.
2. Try to know if this player is going to shoot more from the paint or from outside.
3. Pick your "box and one" variant depending on who you want to play D on the rival player.
a) if you think the best offensive player will be an inside scorer, you must play "inside box and one" in order to get the best ID+SB defender over him.
b) if you think the best offensive player will be an outside scorer, you must play "outside box and one" in order to get the best OD defender over him.

Does that make any sense?

What I get from my assumptions is that Patience might be destroyed with a good "box and one", right?


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