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I just wanted to try and push some motivation to think about what i see as a bigger issue to the success or failure of the team.

You still have not said a single point with regards to what this so called “bigger issue” is. You’ve said that you think we need to offer newer managers routes to train players for the U21 team, and yet no manager in the history of USA U21 has barred new managers from training or restricted build ideas to those who have history of creating U21 players. The fact of the matter is, U21 players are more often to be created by established managers simply due to the fact that they have the infrastructure and knowledge to train better quality players. As long as I’ve been involved (which is off and on dating back to about Season 25), new managers who draft U21 potential players have been told very candidly the pros and cons to training or selling their players, and what it would take to create the quality of player who we are seeking for USA U21.

In fact both Antwon and Oriolekid have addressed this as an issue. I don’t think there’s a manager in the country who doesn’t think we should try to have as many people as possible training with U21 in mind. Oriolekid has said several times that he’s planning to encourage less traditional builds for these fringe players with newer trainers in order to both give more managers a chance at having a player on the team, and increase the depth of our player pool. I’m just confused as to what your issue is here, as I feel your only real stated complaint has been addressed repeatedly.


Last edited by Nick22 at 01/15/2022 21:14:42

You bring nothing to this conversation no matter what name or tag you are hiding behind.

I highly encourage the American community to not feed the troll. Just don’t respond. We have a couple of great candidates. This guy wants/needs attention, positive or negative. Always has, always will. Let’s go America.

I'd actually like to bring attention to world hunger, poverty, long working hours, and murder.

I have no idea how our candidates are going to fix it but it's a problem but I have 0 confidence in them to do so.

That is all.

You are entitled to your opinion of me as a manager. I wasn't here to troll.

I'll steer clear of talking about it further, good luck to whomever wins the u21 job.

To get this thread back on track after the last dozen posts about... something?

To GForce:
People are free to use whatever criterium they want to vote for whatever candidate. I apologize for getting snippy at yours. He has trained a U21 player more recent than I, yes, that is true.


To E.B.W.
Successes outside the most populous nations do exists; Israel, sure, as well as Lithuania. Getting the right player, with the right potential, under the right manager with the right resources is absolutely easier for countries like Spain, and Italy, and us and a few others than the smaller countries. I'd love to learn more about the Israelean process. 11 of their 13 players on their full NT are Israeli owned so having a core group who builds the NT up is a dream that we all can hope to achieve.

Going back to the big vs small nations thing.

USA gets between 150-190 18 y/os with Superstar or better potential every class. Spain and Italy are around 190-220 per year. Israel is around 35-50. Would you rather have 150, or 200 lottery tickets or 50?

But their training regimen might be world class beyond anything we know or have considered!

If we can’t make 18 great players with 190 options, why do you think that will suddenly change when we have 30 more options? It’s not the total number that matters, it’s the process, and the process hasn’t worked for the USA and has for Italy and Spain.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 01/16/2022 16:58:14

Okay, I can meet you there.

It's why my main running thing for like 4 elections has been to make the specialty players. I know, me suggesting a 9 Reb one earlier gave some people pause, but we need guys outside the elite ones that can show different looks.

I'm not going to hash out our the player's skills in the public right now, but go on discord and look at the group of guys we had against Poland. Still early season age21, but we wanted to go inside, and did go LI and the highest passing on a guard in the entire pipeline was 11, and he wasn't in the GS to start. The highest IS we had on a SF was 12. Every U21 needs to be able to run an inside and an outside effectively, and we had a ton of awesome guys, but none that could get the ball inside. The PG of that game had -14+- and only 9 passing. The IS on him was nice but we needed him to get the ball inside more.

So I love a LI PG. I don't need him taking 14 shots. I need to him to create 14 more. Give me a pure SG with enough JR so we can at least attempt to run the Motion offense successfully enough to threaten. We do balanced SFs quite well, but give me one of those 190 players a season that can hit a 3 and defend inside, or vice-versa.

So if I can scout everyone and be real with managers about their player's chance early, like 18 or 19, then that gives them chances to switch up training so we can get a different type of beast.

"Hey, he's young but already far enough behind on the depth chart. I don't think he will make U21 training him the way you were going to. Might I suggest this build shown in the image below. That guy makes the team even if he has a flaw or two. If you have any questions please ask."

A BB, or discord message like that goes so very far for us going forward.

Last edited by oriolekid at 01/16/2022 17:19:31

It is not mandatory as a benchmark, but it definitely means something if you can take your club team to the NBBA, you must know a thing or two to get there. The fact that you made it to DII 4 times but got relegated right after promotion 3 out of those 4 times speak for itself.

I'm a little late to the thread, but I agree 100% and it was my main reason for voting Antwon.

Personally I think the LionPride team history bouncing between D3 and D4 for the majority of 45 seasons is a weakness for NT elections. I like your commitment to the game, and your passion for U21 speaks for itself. But at some point you need to be able to show you can sustain winning at a higher level, or you're going to keep losing elections to D2 and NBBA guys. They have more experience running teams against the best managers in the game.

Election is over bro...you are mean :`-(