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It is not mandatory as a benchmark, but it definitely means something if you can take your club team to the NBBA, you must know a thing or two to get there. The fact that you made it to DII 4 times but got relegated right after promotion 3 out of those 4 times speak for itself.

And yes, what about the u21 players? Can you elaborate?

Respectfully,
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It's good that someone does have confidence in him, because i have about 0 based on the answers, across the board honestly amongst all 3 candidates for that matter. The answers for some of my questions and the questions of others make me extremely concerned that the plot has been lost on the u21 side recently.

Hopefully whomever wins proves me wrong, but i don't find starting a thread elsewhere to overcome the mediocre responses in the debate thread a way into my vote, it does quite the opposite.

I am impressed with your foray into this topic, but whenever I identify problems with anything in life, I always have a solution to suggest along with it -- or else...what's the point?

So, what's the point?

Looks like you just joined this season. Are you a returning user?

If we as a nation want to make a serious bid to win, we need multiple managers nationally or internationally to buy into doing so. trying to chase down people also going after personal success stories and hoping they'll build exactly as we want is somewhat wishful, as the best u21 player builds aren't the most friendly to economics or team-orriented victories in a system where you have more than a set amount of weeks to get what you need from a player (aka, NT or personal players follow a different development pattern, thus aren't going to be ideal)

If we want to keep creating more depth to the pool, we need newer managers getting on board with how to train, and teaching them on Americas seasons are fairly useful even on PAS players, which was largely disregarded by most of the managers running (all of them if you think about bigs). I certainly get that approach in worlds where your margin for error is minimized and running out of cap is a big problem, but in non-worlds seasons simply assuming you can't get a player capable enough to help you win out of those ranks is something i can't agree with. One of the most free ways the US was largely dominating the Americas scene for seasons is now cast aside and giving them an opportunity to play on more equal footing.

If you want my approach on specific player builds, i am one of those that would rather keep it private, other than to say that i don't feel like the answers provided were consistent with what I've seen work. In DM's perhaps I'd be more open.

and to answer Gforce's question, yes.


Last edited by JPBren at 01/15/2022 20:15:42

Just curious how you can say that anyone here has “lost the plot” when it comes to U21, when as far as I can tell you’ve had your team for less than a season, are not active on the forums or on discord, and have offered neither a question or an answer to anything involved in the debate between these two candidates. As someone involved in the community, I see two candidates who have been involved in training and game planning for 10, 15, 20 seasons. I see two managers who have a good grasp on what it takes to run a u21 team, who have contributed the time and effort it takes to be considered strong candidates in the U21 arena and who I would be happy to entrust our team to. In my personal opinion, I think Antwon has shown a better case to lead us based on his club success and his history of training U21 players for the teams of several different past managers. I also think his upset in the semifinals of the USA tournament last season shows a killer instinct and ability to take risks and gamble successfully in big games. That being said, I think oriolekid has demonstrated a strong ability to scout upcoming and future opponents and I value that skill and would have no qualms with him leading the team in that regard. I’m not sure what it is about either candidate that makes you think you can come in and say you have any lack of confidence whatsoever, as a d4 manager you probably haven’t even sniffed any of the issues that a U21 team would encounter and I think your “extreme concern” is completely unfounded.

Last edited by Nick22 at 01/15/2022 20:16:39

Everything you said rings true, maybe get involved with the team in some capacity and see that their community and dedication is quite strong. As an outsider to the process, I can honestly say that both Antwon and oriolekid are both passionate, competent, and fitting of our support. I don't have to say anything about khenry, he's as good of a manager as you'll find in the game. A pool of managers dedicated to U21 does exist, and there are numerous folks that would welcome another voice and help guide folks who are new to the process. Jump in and find out. Thanks for your contribution, can't say that wasn't a premium response, and it definitely was the one that I was after.

Last edited by fury508 at 01/15/2022 20:23:05

I don't doubt there are people who care about it. there wouldn't be three candidates, and there wouldn't be conversation. My comments about not being confident have nothing to do with any of the three's potential to dedicate themselves effectively, and also the people behind the scenes not talking that do a lot of work.

I just wanted to try and push some motivation to think about what i see as a bigger issue to the success or failure of the team. Maybe down the road some more when i have the finances in place a few seasons into this tenure to also contribute with players i'll get more interested, i'd love for any of the contenders for the job to come in and put me in my place since winning is the end goal.

I just wanted to try and push some motivation to think about what i see as a bigger issue to the success or failure of the team.

You still have not said a single point with regards to what this so called “bigger issue” is. You’ve said that you think we need to offer newer managers routes to train players for the U21 team, and yet no manager in the history of USA U21 has barred new managers from training or restricted build ideas to those who have history of creating U21 players. The fact of the matter is, U21 players are more often to be created by established managers simply due to the fact that they have the infrastructure and knowledge to train better quality players. As long as I’ve been involved (which is off and on dating back to about Season 25), new managers who draft U21 potential players have been told very candidly the pros and cons to training or selling their players, and what it would take to create the quality of player who we are seeking for USA U21.

In fact both Antwon and Oriolekid have addressed this as an issue. I don’t think there’s a manager in the country who doesn’t think we should try to have as many people as possible training with U21 in mind. Oriolekid has said several times that he’s planning to encourage less traditional builds for these fringe players with newer trainers in order to both give more managers a chance at having a player on the team, and increase the depth of our player pool. I’m just confused as to what your issue is here, as I feel your only real stated complaint has been addressed repeatedly.


Last edited by Nick22 at 01/15/2022 21:14:42

You bring nothing to this conversation no matter what name or tag you are hiding behind.

I highly encourage the American community to not feed the troll. Just don’t respond. We have a couple of great candidates. This guy wants/needs attention, positive or negative. Always has, always will. Let’s go America.

I'd actually like to bring attention to world hunger, poverty, long working hours, and murder.

I have no idea how our candidates are going to fix it but it's a problem but I have 0 confidence in them to do so.

That is all.