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You are entitled to your opinion of me as a manager. I wasn't here to troll.

I'll steer clear of talking about it further, good luck to whomever wins the u21 job.

To get this thread back on track after the last dozen posts about... something?

To GForce:
People are free to use whatever criterium they want to vote for whatever candidate. I apologize for getting snippy at yours. He has trained a U21 player more recent than I, yes, that is true.


To E.B.W.
Successes outside the most populous nations do exists; Israel, sure, as well as Lithuania. Getting the right player, with the right potential, under the right manager with the right resources is absolutely easier for countries like Spain, and Italy, and us and a few others than the smaller countries. I'd love to learn more about the Israelean process. 11 of their 13 players on their full NT are Israeli owned so having a core group who builds the NT up is a dream that we all can hope to achieve.

Going back to the big vs small nations thing.

USA gets between 150-190 18 y/os with Superstar or better potential every class. Spain and Italy are around 190-220 per year. Israel is around 35-50. Would you rather have 150, or 200 lottery tickets or 50?

But their training regimen might be world class beyond anything we know or have considered!

If we can’t make 18 great players with 190 options, why do you think that will suddenly change when we have 30 more options? It’s not the total number that matters, it’s the process, and the process hasn’t worked for the USA and has for Italy and Spain.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 01/16/2022 16:58:14

Okay, I can meet you there.

It's why my main running thing for like 4 elections has been to make the specialty players. I know, me suggesting a 9 Reb one earlier gave some people pause, but we need guys outside the elite ones that can show different looks.

I'm not going to hash out our the player's skills in the public right now, but go on discord and look at the group of guys we had against Poland. Still early season age21, but we wanted to go inside, and did go LI and the highest passing on a guard in the entire pipeline was 11, and he wasn't in the GS to start. The highest IS we had on a SF was 12. Every U21 needs to be able to run an inside and an outside effectively, and we had a ton of awesome guys, but none that could get the ball inside. The PG of that game had -14+- and only 9 passing. The IS on him was nice but we needed him to get the ball inside more.

So I love a LI PG. I don't need him taking 14 shots. I need to him to create 14 more. Give me a pure SG with enough JR so we can at least attempt to run the Motion offense successfully enough to threaten. We do balanced SFs quite well, but give me one of those 190 players a season that can hit a 3 and defend inside, or vice-versa.

So if I can scout everyone and be real with managers about their player's chance early, like 18 or 19, then that gives them chances to switch up training so we can get a different type of beast.

"Hey, he's young but already far enough behind on the depth chart. I don't think he will make U21 training him the way you were going to. Might I suggest this build shown in the image below. That guy makes the team even if he has a flaw or two. If you have any questions please ask."

A BB, or discord message like that goes so very far for us going forward.

Last edited by oriolekid at 01/16/2022 17:19:31

It is not mandatory as a benchmark, but it definitely means something if you can take your club team to the NBBA, you must know a thing or two to get there. The fact that you made it to DII 4 times but got relegated right after promotion 3 out of those 4 times speak for itself.

I'm a little late to the thread, but I agree 100% and it was my main reason for voting Antwon.

Personally I think the LionPride team history bouncing between D3 and D4 for the majority of 45 seasons is a weakness for NT elections. I like your commitment to the game, and your passion for U21 speaks for itself. But at some point you need to be able to show you can sustain winning at a higher level, or you're going to keep losing elections to D2 and NBBA guys. They have more experience running teams against the best managers in the game.

Election is over bro...you are mean :`-(

For what it is worth, I have never made it to D.II and won four golds straight for U21. Being in lower divisions does not always correlate to being a bad U21 coach. Being in NBBA or D.II does not always correlate to being a good U21 coach.

The thing that is not thought about much when it comes to elections is that the U21 NT job is almost strictly just coaching. You don’t have to worry about salaries or weekly economics. You have no ability to control the minutes of the players or the positions in which they are trained. While you can urge managers to do certain things and suggest things, it is ultimately not even a manager role. I’ve never viewed myself as a great BB manager, but I do believe I understand tactics and game planning extremely well and am an elite coach. The managing of a team and the coaching for games don’t always go hand in hand is what I’m saying, I suppose.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 01/19/2022 14:39:23

This is a great point, you can certainly be a phenomenal coach and never make it out of D3 because you lacked arena management, training plans, roster building, market pricing/timing, and a whole load of other things.

I think the only real counterargument I'd have here would be that for a team playing at the top leagues, tactics mean a lot more than they do in D2 and below. You can steamroll through D2 off almost team strength alone if you have the right team. Using amazing financial management and training to overcome your inability to coach is a possibility in those divisions.

Then you get to a point where you have to be good at everything once you get to the very top. So in terms of proven coaching ability in my eyes that's why I take league success somewhat into account.

I agree taken into account as a tiebreaker, but not a driving force to vote or not vote for someone. Love you mom. 😘