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Given the seeming time crunch, lowering prices doesn't help anything. It should be done... but the affects of said change won't happen until August anyway.

It's unfortunate that you have 2 guys out for a while... having 14 players means you probably have too many for an affective team... but with only 12 healthy players, assuming you are playing scrimmages (I didn't check)... it is just about right.

But, you are going to have to sell a couple of guys off. You don't have much of a choice.

I too would keep the cheap guys for now... you'll need someone to play once you sell off the more desirable parts of your roster.

its not fooling to sell an mvp potential guy at 400k especially at wage around 5000. mvps can be trained well even when they are 23 so if skill set is well rounded, it might be a starting stone for a new franchise.

There is no way he is improving with this squad and economical situation so why keep players with low salaries. Those guys are useless and not profitable. i agree they do not affect the balance too much but if you donot have any targets for season then its quite possible to clean up your squad.

As far as i could observe about the arena situation:

When ticket prices are high, number of spectators are lower than usual. But the thing is when you lower them, this does not translate into more money in your account. yes there will be more spectators but they will pay less so it is just a small difference between these two options.

its not fooling to sell an mvp potential guy at 400k especially at wage around 5000. mvps can be trained well even when they are 23 so if skill set is well rounded, it might be a starting stone for a new franchise.

To make use of the MVP potential, the player needs to be trained for at least 5 seasons, maybe more. By that time, the guy will be 28 and well past his prime. Any smart user would be better served to spend their 400k elsewhere. So yes, you would just be fooling a new user.

There is no way he is improving with this squad and economical situation so why keep players with low salaries. Those guys are useless and not profitable.

They are incredibly useful for keeping his salaries low. He will not be in a position to buy players in the near future and needs to keep at least 12 players on his team.

As far as i could observe about the arena situation:

When ticket prices are high, number of spectators are lower than usual. But the thing is when you lower them, this does not translate into more money in your account. yes there will be more spectators but they will pay less so it is just a small difference between these two options.

Your observation about the arena situation is not the reality. High ticket prices like that drive the fans away in droves. If his ticket prices are 25% less but he's bringing in 50% more spectators, he's making more money than before.

However, as someone stated, he won't be able to change his prices for another few weeks, so it doesn't help him right now.

In lower leagues, you do not need your players to be 10k players. This guy can be useful for a user playing in a lower league to promote. Can he find better players or better trainees? yes probably but it does not necessarily mean this player does not deserve to be paid. I bought a player 25 years old and he improved pretty well with mvp potential. While they will be limited by their age, you donot have to train or keep them in your team.

Why does he have to keep 12 players on his roster? He needs a quick fix on his balance and then rebuild. If he stays, well done. If he cant then be it. He just needs to keep his trainees and in his case there are not many good trainees in his roster.

I am not a 100 percent sure on ticket prices. As i said, i tried it before and observed maxing the prices out is not a harmful action to take. I will not challenge your opinion here, everyone can try and decide which one is working better for himself.

I bought a player 25 years old and he improved pretty well with mvp potential. While they will be limited by their age, you donot have to train or keep them in your team.

A player does not improve faster with higher potential. The only thing that potential does is put a soft cap on how high their skills can go. So - the only reason to want a guy with MVP potential over announcer potential is to push his skills up to a very high level. Not to mention that older players improve slower than younger ones.

So you can say whatever you want, but that $400,000 that you talk about is a lot better spent on a guy with allstar potential but who is 18 or 19.

Why does he have to keep 12 players on his roster? He needs a quick fix on his balance and then rebuild. If he stays, well done. If he cant then be it. He just needs to keep his trainees and in his case there are not many good trainees in his roster.

For game shape purposes, he should not be playing anyone more than 65 minutes. His best chance to win, as a guy starting out, is to keep all his players in strong-proficient game shape. This will help him much more than any of the players on his roster.

I am not a 100 percent sure on ticket prices. As i said, i tried it before and observed maxing the prices out is not a harmful action to take.

It is not harmful to keep your prices maxed if you are selling out or very close to it. However, when you are miles away from selling out, lowering your ticket prices is the usually the best choice (I say usually because I can't say what happens with a 20,000+ arena ;-) ).

Why would the BBs give a ticket price option if the best option is always to keep prices maxed out?

well i dont want to argue about those things anymore but you seem to misunderstand my arguments. i never said higher potential means faster training. All i am saying someone might choose an mvp potential to train him a few season than sell him. This might not be the best thing to do with the money but not a total waste either.

again, you are talking about the case of competitiveness. all the advices i gave was about clearing debt. He will not be able to compete in any circumstances ujnless he give up at least this season.

ticket prices are very tough to call to me just like PR manager functions.

well i dont want to argue about those things anymore but you seem to misunderstand my arguments. i never said higher potential means faster training.

You said that he improved "pretty well" as an MVP which I interpreted to mean faster. Sorry if this was a misinterpretation.

All i am saying someone might choose an mvp potential to train him a few season than sell him. This might not be the best thing to do with the money but not a total waste either.

No, training him would not be a total waste but his potential is not a reason to increase his sell price for the reasons I listed before. He should sell for the same price as someone with starter potential with the same skills. You are implying that his MVP potential means he is worth more.

again, you are talking about the case of competitiveness. all the advices i gave was about clearing debt. He will not be able to compete in any circumstances ujnless he give up at least this season.

This seems cut and dried to me. If he needs money he should sell the guys who will bring in the most money. Not fire some guys, sell off the rest and keep a handful of players on his team (which is what you implied when you said fire 3 guys and sell 5-6 others).

Why not sell some players, get back into the black and still stay as competitive as possible?

not to be mediocre of course.

if he stays competitive "enough", he might possibly achieve not to relegate but next season will hardly be an improvement. instead, cutting all loses might result in one or two trainable or profitable tranees and also good chance to rebuild a balanced and smaller roster. i am not just recommending him to sell 5-6, this is the minimal caution for me. he should sell as much as he could as long as he gets the fair prices.

not to be mediocre of course.

if he stays competitive "enough", he might possibly achieve not to relegate but next season will hardly be an improvement. instead, cutting all loses might result in one or two trainable or profitable tranees and also good chance to rebuild a balanced and smaller roster. i am not just recommending him to sell 5-6, this is the minimal caution for me. he should sell as much as he could as long as he gets the fair prices.

Ok, so you're suggesting he cut his roster down to a small number of players (like 7-8), lose just about every match the rest of the way and focus on training.

I guess that's workable if you're thinking long-term. A good training plan takes at least 3-4 seasons to turn anything out, though. It is also going to be tough for him to win anything in that time period as all that losing will make it difficult for him to turn a profit.

BB tends to reward teams that win games, though. So I'm not sure how well this would work... But I've never tried it so who knows.

I notice you're planning on having 13 players on your team. You should also sell Marshall Davis, Edgar Chambers and Sam Grandmont so you have 10 players.

The discussion about potential is pretty absurd at times. Just like chuck is mentioning is potential pretty much useless at age of 23 and above if salary is below 8000 (later statement my addition).

I would advice the user to despite the debts buy a level 4 trainer (if he has not already a level 5 trainer which I very much doubt) and then buy trainees very cheaply. You can actually get 5 trainees for less than 30000 in total with a salary of around 2500 to 3500. Train them a season or two and they will improve to salaries around 7-8000 and be better trained than a typical such player. You can then either sell the player for 200000-600000 (maybe even more) or keep him and have a very useful player. I know because I trained a 6th man potential from 2500 to 9000 in two seasons myself. A player like this (9301418) will sell for similar money at least according to transfer compare. Even with a huge debt you can afford such money. Then you might instead sack someone else that even might have a higher salary. Even if things is pretty desperate for this manager he can allow himself to do so.

But it is of course preferable to have a high potential 18 year old player with very nicely placed skill to train instead but I but much higher priority on good skills than good potential. I would not buy a player with pitiful or atrocious in an important skill because of high potential as the skill will take very long time to repair.