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275427.8 in reply to 275427.7
Date: 12/1/2015 9:58:09 AM
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It really depends a lot on the matchup as well. I have a PF who has averaged about 20 PTS and 5 AST per ~30 MIN played on the Finnish elite level for the last couple of seasons, after his training reached its final stage. He's an excellent and very versatile scorer for a big with, well, let's just say 15+ passing. For the last three seasons, icluding this one, he's been not just my leading scorer but has also been racking up the most assists out of my team. And my starting guards have 15+ PA as well. So while he's the go-to-guy for my team offensively, and is basically always specifically put into a position to score, both matchup- and tactics-wise, he also racks up the assists.

I haven't noticed any clearcut trend about his assist totals dropping a lot whenever he gets a matchup he can exploit and score a lot himself. It seems to me that with those matchups it's more likely for him to get more assists too, and not just bigger point totals. I do have some good scorers around him as well, so that obviously makes it more likely for him to pass it if his own shot's propability isn't too high.

Basically I only run LI/LP/II, because that's just how my team is built. So I don't have any idea how his passing works with Princeton, Motion, etc., outside of the occasional NT games which clearly isn't enough of a sample size for me to speculate on. His passing usually does wonders in any of the tactics I use, and I think it's more about the matchups you can find for a guy like him. I've found II the best for that, especially when you can find him a defender with low OD, since that seems to give him more room to work with his passing + he can score from mid and long ranges as well. Then again, I've also found that tactic a bit risky, if the opponent does find a way to shut him and the secondary scorer next to him down, since guards (at least somewhat regular ones) are usually pretty useless in it.

Haven't noticed any difference regarding position SF/PF/C. Also, if by a facilitator you meant strictly a no-scoring, high-passing-and-defence type of guy, then this post propably does nothing for you and has been a huge waste of my time as well, in which case I'm sorry for both of us. :D

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275427.10 in reply to 275427.1
Date: 12/2/2015 8:35:15 AM
Smallfries
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Do these bigs have good driving as well?

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275427.12 in reply to 275427.11
Date: 12/2/2015 7:12:06 PM
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Nachtmahr, I have long followed what you say about shot blocking. But one thing here has me puzzled:
Thanks to SB I don't need a lot of RB. My best guy has RB 9 and my team still manages to end up at second place for rebounds.
Isn't every blocked shot still rebounded? Blocks don't reduce the # of rebounds. For every shot your opponent misses, there is 1.00 rebounds. For every shot your opponent has blocked there is 1.00 rebounds. 1.00 = 1.00

Thanks.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 12/2/2015 7:18:02 PM

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275427.14 in reply to 275427.13
Date: 12/3/2015 12:02:42 AM
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I think he means his SB lowers opponent shot %, making more chances to defense rebound ...
I would like to hear Nachtmahr's thinking, but the point you make, that opponent's shot % is even lower when there are a lot of blocked shots would argue that rebounding was more important, not less.

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275427.16 in reply to 275427.14
Date: 12/3/2015 12:54:18 AM
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The thinking is if you can just keep blocking until you get the rebound. If the opponent has 10 extra possesions because of rebounds advantage but you block/alter 15 extra shots you have 5 FGM less against you.

It's easy to say higher rebounding is better, of course it is but to have higher SB you need to compromise somewhere. It's always the question wether it's worth to give up X to get more Y, and in Nachtmar's case it is. You can make another case in which you sacrifice a bit of IS for the higher SB and keep RB the same, because if your bigs have high PA you still have a decent flow, or you could sac some ID, or a little bit of 2/3 skills.

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Date: 12/3/2015 5:42:51 AM
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For every shot your opponent misses, there is 1.00 rebounds. For every shot your opponent has blocked there is 1.00 rebounds. 1.00 = 1.00


I think some blocked shots end up out of bounds - but I am not sure, as I don't follow the games due to technical issues (no flash)

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