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Date: 4/17/2011 5:58:04 AM
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Yes.

From: Moa1

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is that the only way?

OD can be trained and with ball handling. very slow but it's a another way.
here you can see it:

Ball Handling
PG:
Trains HN @ 1-2 weeks
Trains DV @ ?
Trains OD @ ?

PG/SG:
Trains HN @ 2-3 weeks
Trains DV @ 3-4 weeks
Trains OD @ 7-8 weeks

PG/SG/SF:
Trains HN @ ?
Trains DV @ ?
Trains OD @ ?
only for 2 position training is stated how long would it take to get a pop in skill.
link: (381.1) and (78242.1)

From: yodabig

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Date: 4/17/2011 9:07:06 PM
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That is beacuse handling training is considered by 99.99% of managers to be a worthless choice even worse than the despised shot blocking. Almost no-one ever does it. I know I never have and I have been involved with the Australian U21 team and we have monotored about 60 players this season and none of them ever had any handling training. Perhaps if it did improve OD a lot faster it could be useful.

From: Moa1

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Date: 4/18/2011 4:56:04 AM
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yea I know, but I just wanted to be clear that pressure isn't the only way. the question was:

is that the only way?


and answers were:

Yes.


Yes it is.


that is not correct.
I just corrected the wrong answers. will he or will he not train ball handling is on the OP.

and I don't agree with this part:

That is beacuse handling training is considered by 99.99% of managers to be a worthless choice even worse than the despised shot blocking.


people consider that it is worthless to train ball handling because everything else (JS, JR, PRESSURE, 1on1 and PASSING) train ball handling quite quickly. ball handling is important to reduce number of turnovers (to increase offensive flow with passing).





Last edited by Moa1 at 4/18/2011 6:58:56 AM

From: yodabig

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Date: 4/18/2011 7:24:20 AM
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Well I guess the accuracy of my answer depends on if you want a sensible answer or an answer that includes all possibilities no matter how silly.


Which answer is better?

Will the draft happen this week?

Well I can't say because there could be an explosion of the sun and then entire earth could be consumed in a giant fireball or there may be some coding difficulties that cause the entire WWW to implode...

Yes. Probably on Wednesday.



I never said I don't like the handling skill, I said training it is a bad option because as you pointed out, it is trained by so many other things anyway.

From: Moa1

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Date: 4/18/2011 8:02:00 AM
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ok, I didn't read your post correctly, my bad.

From: yodabig

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Date: 4/18/2011 11:27:43 AM
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And sorry if I was too harsh. I am cranky as hell today for a variety of stupid reasons and I should just take a chill pill sometimes.

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Date: 4/18/2011 11:33:57 AM
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Which answer is better?

the one that gives the most complete info.

It's okay to add if you find it worthless, but the managers themself can decide for themselves only if they get complete info.

I don't understand how a manager can train a good PG without EVER training handling either, but that might just be me.

For other positions handling indeed is not so good as choice, unless maybe it'sconsidderable lower and needs a boost before the real training can start.

On blocking I have to totally disagree. I have been saying blocking is usefull since I started out many seasons ago. In the meantime BBs improved it's importance because most where ignorant of it's power, and afterwards managers are starting to see the light. I might value it too much, but I'm 100% sure it's not worthless, and training it is a good investment. Contrary to handling, blocking isn't in almost any trainingtype, so to improve it, you should realy train it...

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Date: 4/18/2011 11:40:30 AM
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Because managers training PGs tend to go for a lot of 1on1 which boosts drving, handling and JS all fairly quickly. A PG with very high driving and handling is a big problem for his opponents.

Well I have never trained bigs so don't have a good feel for blocking training but I know of a manager who trained an U21 prospect in SB and was abused by the NT Coach who told him something like "never train that again it is worthless".

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Date: 4/18/2011 12:40:34 PM
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While I can't say SB is worthless, it's definitely not as important as the other inside skills. Also, it's trained by the other inside skills as well (mostly by ID). So, if you have a trainee with decent starting SB, you may never need to train that skill, as he will get enough pops from training other inside skills, to reach a satisfactory level.

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