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What a shame! That's bad news for the Canadian community.

Thanks for all your suggestions, your effort and the great results!

Cletus! Cletus! Cletus!

Happy to finally have U21 star! MacNeish killing it. Just some home town pride :D

It was just a scrimmage :D But I count on him for the games against Argentina and Columbia

All games this season so far :) Just saying

Outside iso? What was the idea behind that?

wrong thread!
The idea was to have Hardy (a guard) playing at SF and have 3 outside players capable of scoring (Bundash, Stezka) against their good-but-not-excellent guards. Somehow it worked quite well, until Levin was on the court as the backup SF (he his more inside oriented than Hardy). He only played 4 minutes but look at his +/- ...
I was surprised that they played normal as well. We weren't very far behind, only 4 points behind at the beginning of the last minute. After that it's just garbage time, missed shot + fool until the end.

Anyway not making excuses, a loss is a loss and that's not good to make it to the semis, but it's going to be a close battle

I don't understand those tactics and don't know if I ever actually saw them work, hence the question. If you have 3 guards then motion seems like a good option or PtB if you want more neutral attack.

ISO are a bit like patient, they look for the highest attacker/defender discrepency and try to use it, so if for example the opposing team has 1 excellent guard (#1) and 1 only decent (#2), the offense will prioritise the guard playing against #2.

It's a bit like when you use patient with a guard at the C position, but you don't have to use a player such out of position (that helps for rebounds for example, a guard@C will always be out rebounded by the defending C)

Motion or PtB are more neutral like you said, they don't really look for the highest discrepency between attacker/defender, they just move the ball until they find a decent shot. I don't really like motion for our U21 because we don't really have excellent outside shooters (jump range is low), and it tends to yield a very large number of 3s (look at Uruguay for example, almost half of their shots where 3s)

Uruguay does not really have "holes" in their lineup, so I let the GE choose which ouside player had the best shot.

Again, it nearly worked, we were ahead most of the game, and only 4 points behind 60seconds from the end. With equal enthusiasm we would have won. We out-rebounded them badly, had more assists, it really was a close game. Could we have won with other tactics? Certainly and that pisses me off and I'll adjust for that in the future, but I still haven't found a "magic" tactic for this team

As I understand it, outside ISO needs a 5 out-lineup to clear out for the player to be successful, and inside ISO needs a 4 out, 1-inside lineup.
Looking at the box scores in hindsight, it looks like Uruguay has some poor OD on their bigs, so a patient with a guard at C/PF and switched for D may have been a good option against them. I haven't followed U21 too much, but I imagine since there's more focus on primaries, that may be the case for many teams.

Yeah for most teams the best players are ones with good primaries (USA, Argentina comes to mind). Uruguay however seems to have way more balanced players, look at their salaries and their DMI for example. Their salaries are low but they have good players. In U21, it's pretty rare to have a big with more than 4-5 OD. More often than not, that's the OD they started with.

A 5-outside lineup is not a good option, offense would benefit from it but you would get crushed on inside defense and rebounds. 3 guards/2bigs is a good ratio for Outside ISO (and 2 guards/3 bigs for Inside ISO). A fourth guard might be stretching it if your opponent has more than 1 good big (as is the case with NTs).
I do agree though that a switched patient could have worked in this case. But then again the game was so close it could have gone either way