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Apparently 9 GS has no sublevels. I argued the same way as you, but Manon and others were pretty adamant there are no sublevels at Proficient, so I went and checked the data on my players, which eventually confirmed their claims. It's actually quite evident, I haven't been able to find any instance of a player on 9 GS whose DMI increased over time without playing at a position of training.

Perhaps we can take a look at some team renowned for training GS and gather some more evidence, but I'm pretty convinced at this point.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/24/2015 10:32:11 AM

Here is a guy that has been on my team for a while that has never received training...for comparison these are all the weeks that he was at 9 GS at the same level of EXP and ST.

06/26 - 07/02/2015 239 600 9
06/19 - 06/25/2015 239 800 9
04/10 - 04/16/2015 242 500 9
03/27 - 04/02/2015 243 100 9
03/20 - 03/26/2015 243 400 9
02/13 - 02/19/2015 245 000 9
02/06 - 02/12/2015 244 900 9

Shouldn't his DMI be the same? Or is this just the impact of declining ST over time?

It the slow drop in stamina. When I posted my guys they all had had a similar pattern, dropping 2-300 per week.

interesting good to know

One of my guys (21280425):
Period..........................Salary...........DMI........Age…GS
07/31 - 08/06/2015…..$ 70 343…..1 266 600…..33…..7
07/24 - 07/30/2015…..$ 72 097…..1 268 900…..32…..9
07/17 - 07/23/2015…..$ 72 097…..1 271 200…..32…..9
07/10 - 07/16/2015…..$ 72 097…..1 271 200…..32…..9
06/19 - 06/25/2015…..$ 72 097…..1 274 600…..32…..9
06/12 - 06/18/2015…..$ 72 097…..1 276 000…..32…..9
05/22 - 05/28/2015…..$ 72 097…..1 280 400…..32…..9
04/24 - 04/30/2015…..$ 72 097…..1 289 200…..32…..7
04/17 - 04/23/2015…..$ 72 786…..1 290 700…..31…..9
04/10 - 04/16/2015…..$ 72 786…..1 292 200…..31…..9
04/03 - 04/09/2015…..$ 72 786…..1 293 700…..31…..9
03/13 - 03/19/2015…..$ 72 786…..1 291 100…..31…..9
03/06 - 03/12/2015…..$ 72 786…..1 292 600…..31…..9
02/27 - 03/05/2015…..$ 72 786…..1 294 100…..31…..9
02/20 - 02/26/2015…..$ 72 786…..1 295 400…..31…..9
01/09 - 01/15/2015…..$ 75 097…..1 290 100…..30…..9
11/21 - 11/27/2014…..$ 75 097…..1 301 100…..30…..9

Before the week in bold he got 41 minutes of 1v1 guards training in this game: (79191174)

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/24/2015 2:04:39 PM

Jump Shot: tremendous Jump Range: sensational
Outside Def.: marvelous Handling: sensational
Driving: tremendous Passing: prominent
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: prolific
Rebounding: proficient Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: average Free Throw: strong

Experience: average TSP: 112 (75 + 37)

My initial end goal for him was 14/12/15/12/14/12/12/12/10/10

I gave up on the SB training a long time ago when i tried to train his Sb and he got injured...then the next time i tried to train SB he got injured AGAIN!
I have given up on the 2 more PA pops and the IS/ID/RB pops...his last pop was in JR sometime last season. After that i switched to 1v1g and have been on that since.
I am not supporter so i cannot see exactly how long its been but i know it has been atleast 6 weeks of 1v1G in which all my other trainees have popped multiple times.
So really..i just want 14JS 14DR so i can be satisfied with him. I have spent 6 seasons training him so i feel obligated to push him till he gets those last 2 pops. Hopefully it happens, i would be very disappointed if i could not get atleast those 2 pops as i already know i cannot get him the last few pops i really want to round him out.

Damn, another passing pop or two would be just perfect.

yes i agree, and i will be doing 1 pos PA with Scuderi whenever Mcneil gets these two pops..but at this rate it would be foolish to waste the training slot as it would probably take the next 2 seasons haha

I recommend you train PA first then, since PA training will also train HA and DR. Maybe you get unexpected pops? :)

thanks for posting

yeah I had to post it, because it was a bit more than a 2-300 reduction per week lol L:) . In any case yeah I checked all the 31yo-32yo players I've had also in the past and they all had similar patterns, so I could not disprove Manon's and co. statements and ended up agreeing that Proficient GS does not have sublevels. I had 5-6 players that I could check, so I'm now convinced it's a reliable way to estimate if there has been some improvement in the skills.

Obviously below proficient you are completely correct that GS does have sublevels, but it should have always been suspicious that by inverting the formulas in Coach Parrot Proficient GS is always is between 8.8-9.1 (while I can get a 'good' Strong GS at 8.7-8.8). I routinely check the sublevels for GS and I believe the deviation from 9 is due to my incorrect estimations of sublevels and minimal errors in the model's coefficients. I've never got a 9.3 or 9.4, while I do get high 7s for respectable and high 8s for strong.