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........irrespective of the little tif going on here....... i have to admit that if i was going to train again from scratch as a new player, (with no money or knowledge of the game) i would train all-star or below.

All-star is probably the breaking point in terms of 'good' players. The star rating (in the draft ) is directly maxed based on the potential
that is, the best star rating an all-star potential player will have, will be 3. (or 4? far out im rusty on the draft)....Which is still ok,
But definitely you can get some mint as starter or star players and train them. a 7ft star potential player, as a new player in this game, really is golden for that new player.

Nice post. Couldn't agree more on what you say about potential for starting teams. If you are starting, you can very well pick some cheap allstars or eternal allstars to train, it will take at least 3-4 seasons for them to fulfill their potential and that's pretty much the time you need to have a decent arena, a decent fan base and start making money and being competitive. Then after those 3-4 seasons you sell your trainees, maybe keep one of them on your roster, and with the profit try to upgrade the level of your trainees. Or you can sell one of the trainees before they cap and keep training the others while buying a new one, than you will always have better trainees that could have a starting hole and others that fit as reserves/backups.

Anyway, MVP potential and above are more useful if you intend to grow national team players. After a certain threshold, salaries get too high and thus selling prices go down as well, so if you want to make a profit you shouldn't spend a lot on a trainee with high potential, training him until he caps and try to sell him. Only a very tiny percentage of teams can afford players with 100k+ wages on their rosters, so there won't be many potential costumers for your product. Not to mention that if you are training a player with a 100k salary he will cost you 1,4kk/season only to keep him. OK, your team will be competitive with him on your roster, but you must take those stuff into account when deciding who to train.

Honestly he's got a point when he says that if you see a starter with 55 TSP for 1k and an allstar with the same 55 TSP for 10k , it makes sense you go for the allstar. New managers shouldn't really be so poor that they can't afford to spend the extra 9k on 1 player. Even if you buy 5 it will cost you 50k before trainer. That is definitely affordable. And I think getting 5 trainees 1-3 of whom are better may be also a good strategy: do 2 position training for a season, sell the worse guys for profit, keep the others and keep going with a 1 position training.

The only time I bought 'starter' and 'star' potential was in the first, crazy, Utopia season and I was in one of the lowest numbered leagues with several big guns and a couple of daytraders. I spent on arena, I spent on starters in order to compete (I reached the semifinal in the cup) and I really had not much room left as I also had to buy a trainer. Your usual DIV or DIII team who plays against bots, who get an extra 200k plus no salary floor in the first 4 weeks should really be able to afford to spend 50k-100k on trainees.

My suggestion also would be to look for the secondaries and consider 19yo players. So for example, big men >6'10''+ with high OD/JR/HA or guards <6'5'' with high ID/SB/IS. One of my trainees spawned 2/6/8 6/3/6 1/8/8/6 at Perennial all-star. I paid much less than 10k for him because he was 19yo and had that 1 IS (which I thought was a plus, but many did not). Another had 8/8/8 5/8/1 5/7/6/5 at 6'10'' with superstar potential, again 19yo. When looking at trainees you should also think about how long it will take you to raise a players secondary skills to a level of your liking. That first trainee was great even at perennial all-star because the low shooting guaranteed that he would not cap easily and the 8/8 defense plus the passing, was great. I sold him to a D1 team after a season when he was 3.3/6/8.1 7.6/4.7/6 1.2/10.1/8.5/12.3.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 06/23/2015 13:59:57

Nice post. Couldn't agree more on what you say about potential for starting teams. If you are starting, you can very well pick some cheap allstars or eternal allstars to train, it will take at least 3-4 seasons for them to fulfill their potential and that's pretty much the time you need to have a decent arena, a decent fan base and start making money and being competitive.

I don't know other translations, what does it mean "eternal allstar"? Is it the same as perennial allstar (7)?
OP talk about starters (4) and stars (5). They are worthless and it's wasting of time and effort to train them.
Let's say allstars (6) are debatable, however allways it's better to spend more time to find perennial allstar.

I'm not force others to buy players for 98k in middle of season. My tip is to buy decent perennial allstars at first week after draft for 10-15k.

And now he is playing in league with 7 bots and You are in the same league when You were when You drafted this player. My tip is for managers who want to promote faster. You gained 400k and maybe it's little more than sum of his salaries and scouting points You spent to draft him. I think 2 seasons of training are worth more.

However he was trained as homegrown player, it's different case (for example more fun). In fact I train only homegrown players. I talk about buying young player to train with low potential. It's decision far from optimal.

Last edited by B.B.King at 06/24/2015 07:48:24

Nice post. Couldn't agree more on what you say about potential for starting teams. If you are starting, you can very well pick some cheap allstars or eternal allstars to train, it will take at least 3-4 seasons for them to fulfill their potential and that's pretty much the time you need to have a decent arena, a decent fan base and start making money and being competitive.

I don't know other translations, what does it mean "eternal allstar"? Is it the same as perennial allstar (7)?
OP talk about starters (4) and stars (5). They are worthless and it's wasting of time and effort to train them.
Let's say allstars (6) are debatable, however allways it's better to spend more time to find perennial allstar.

oh yeah, my bad, apologise, i wrote that in a hurry. i meant perenial allstars.

ideally every team should train only MVP+ but newbies cannot afford the luxury of spending millions to get a MVP+ trainee and wait for 7-8 seasons for their trainees to develop as MVP+s to cash in. advising newbies to buy high potential trainees IMHO is a bad advise.

which reminds me that I have recently sold for 500k a star (5) player who was part of my original roster and got trained for 3 seasons. i also bought for 50k, in the first weeks of my team, a 18yo superstar (8) PF who will be in 2-3 seasons (age 25-26) my starter PF with ~90k of salaries, probably worth 3kk+ in the market if I wanted to sell him. but i won't. he will be my starter for many seasons at a very high level for the cost of 50k. the same applies to other 2 superstar (8) trainees who will eventually become my 90k starters at SF and C.