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just an example to show how training bigmen and promoting can go hand in hand.

I have been training two big men prospects for 3-4 seasons now. i trained insideskills for the first season because i intended to draft a SF trainee in the following offseason so i could train them all together.

as a result i had two 19year olds with insideskills close to 10, increasing secondaries and a salary between 5k and 10k.

at this time i played in league IV. so it didn't really matter if they were good players or not, but last season i promoted and now after i almost finished training them secondaries, i am very glad that they have IS ID and REB around 10 (well at the moment they have almost everyskill at 10). this way they can be useful in the U21 as well as at the C or PF position in league III where I continue to train them in 1on1 and insideskills.

edit: to be honest, if i trained only secondaries by now i would also be training insideskills and maybe they would be as useful as they are now, but the difference is, that while training them on an offposition (PG) for the last three seasons i could use them fairly well as PF and SF in the playoffs while training 1on1.

Last edited by jonte at 07/31/2014 04:07:40

I think it all depends on your plan and ability to compete. If you plan to train secondaries at some point, you have to decide when is the best time. For training purposes, the earlier the better because the later the longer it takes. As for league games, it depends. Say you want 2 seasons of secondary training, I think it would be better to have it early in their career because they're not good in league games anyway. If you wait with it after 2 seasons, you'll have a 15k center playing PG who could otherwise help your team. If you would have mainly secondaries with some ID every now and then, you'll have a servicable player (assuming IS is trained through 1v1 and some ID is mixed in), and you'll have trained secondaries faster, and kept salary lower.

A difference in our take is that you suggest to sell after 1 season. I was thinking more of a 3-5 season window, in which he'll have a reasonable salary when trained in secondaries.

yer sorry, i think i may have walked into suggesting that he sells him after one season - i was just using 1 season of growth as the example

my advice isnt to sell after 1 season. so yer sorry for the confusion - i used too many hypotheticals without clarifying.

Hey mate :)

I don't agree with few things about your build. First off, he is starting with low JS, so I would build him as a center, not PF. It would waste too much time to bring up JS.

Second, I don't like the 16/16/14/10 build. In my opinion, rebounding needs to be the highest skill for centers. Also, he should think about higher shotblocking, especially since they decreased the cost of it recently.

Also, he should think about higher shotblocking, especially since they decreased the cost of it recently.

OMG totally agree. hooray for you

he is starting with low JS, so I would build him as a center, not PF. It would waste too much time to bring up JS.

and agree again.

Second, I don't like the 16/16/14/10 build

wait, are you reading my mind?
yer i agree. less IS, more driving. 16ID is probably ok IMO, but more SB than 10. Sacrifice ID 1 or 2 points for extra SB. id like to see SB at 15 personally

Second, I don't like the 16/16/14/10 build

wait, are you reading my mind?
yer i agree. less IS, more driving. 16ID is probably ok IMO, but more SB than 10. Sacrifice ID 1 or 2 points for extra SB. id like to see SB at 15 personally

I would prefer 17-16-10-17. It will cost almost the same like the one with 16/16/14/10, but you will have a better defender. RB only makes him expensive. And you have time. A shot blocker doesn't have to get every ball after the first miss. He can block the opponent a second and third time. As long as your defense is strong enough you can play with lower RB. It's just a matter of time until you get your hands on the ball. High SB+low RB=more ORs for your opponent+more DefRebs for you. ;)

Thank you sir! Obviously, I think you're right too :)

Hey Nightmare, always enjoy reading your posts :)

I'm interested in your opinion on REB for big men. Although Wolph's ramblings were unreadable and tiresome, I bought into his REB philosophy. He often claimed that rebounding is the most important skill for a C/PF, and I later started noticing that my tranee with somewhat lower rebounding did slightly worse in matches.

Basically:
1. Ratings win matches
2. REB may have the biggest influence on C ratings(possibly less for PF).
Conclusion: Cs need Reb.

I will try serching the TL to see about high REB centers ratings, compared to low REB centers ratings.

A C is not a PF.
For Center, I have two skillsets:
1) IS+IS+RB
2) ID+RB+SB

Let's take a closer look at the second option. You have a real beast under the basket. He protects your rim, defends everyone who tries to finish with a close range attack and he will get most of the rebounds. So, why do you need the same player on PF? Why not taking someone with high ID and high SB (for defense) and average RB (around 9-11) and let the Center do the rebound work? With this you will still have enough space for IS and your PF will stay under 150k. If your opponnent misses a shot and gets the rebound, he has to play again against these two defense specialist.
If you have an IS-ID-SB PF you can give him JS, JR and DR and he will be on both ends of the floor a force.
I'm not saying RB isn't important, it is. But you can maximise it's value with the right players and the right tactic.

So, now you have a game against someone else. You take a look at his roster and stats and you see that his PF is the better rebounder. So what do you do? You just switch the defense. Your PF defends the C and your C the opponents PF. With this you can prevent a rebound missmatch. Both, your PF and C will perfom very well as rebounders. And because both of your bigs are exellent defenders you don't have to think about a missmatch.
An old BB post on this matter:

Look at two things, both the team overall rebounding rating, its not useless... but second order I would look at the opponents starting players and see who gets more rebounds, and assume that they are the stronger rebounders, and think about setting your lineup in a way to minimize that difference.

In the end you have to decide what do you need at which position. You have only a certain cap space and you can't have 10 players with 20 in every skill.

One little thing: RB is an individual skill. That means if you play m2m your PG will compete against the opponents PG. Your PG has RB 5, your opponents RB 2. So who will perform better? ;) Same goes for all the other positions, even in a zone.

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 08/01/2014 12:28:29

i also think that if you have higher SB on your players, you can player 2-3 zone more and thus off-set the lower individual rebounding.

So your defensive set becomes a factor as well.