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I´m training a SF in the third season now, he was my own draft. I can´t understand, why most of you are frustrated about the training. I started with one round of everything, so i could see how the sublevel was (a very successfully enterprise). Next, i trained him in the Pointguard-Skills (passing, od, driving). After season one, he could start at the 2 without high disadvantages (first half of the season in the cup), and because of his inside-skills, he was a very good option to play Look-Inside and meanwhile train him in range.

In the offseason he had to play inside, to push him a few stages in the inside-skills, focused in inside-shot. Now, in season three, he already can play almost everywhere, i just have to put his defense to 2 or 3, offense is no problem. I think i´m playing a very successfully season, and my 20 yo trainee is no obstacle, but rather U21-player.

There is only one point SF-training sucks: If u have a very good SF, trained this SF for years, u get no reasonable price for this player. At the moment, my league opponent tries to sell his national-player Uyigarli, this player has a price evaluation about 1,25 Mio., which is really ridiculous.

(Pls apologize my bad english, school is some years ago ;) )

The TPA for Uyigarli is that low because he is a rounded Player .. I gues there aren't many Players like him and the TPA takes "similar" Players to compare him .. and most of them won't have Inside Skills which are nearly as good as his ;)

Tough I would never sell a Player like Uygarli, he is a great Player and most likely responsible for most if his teams merchandise ;)

Great post, I have thought about starting a SF project myself but never had the opportunity, players or patience to do so.
Like everyone has said, there are a few ways to get these top SF, one is thru training (at least 6-7 seasons of training) or by paying millions (around 4mil). Good SF's are rare to find on the market but they are around.

So to train a SF you will need an 18 yr old trainee, thats going to cost around 1.2mil

You will need a decent trainer...
level 5 - thats going to cost you about 300k up front and 20k per week.
level 6 - 1mil up front and 20k per week.

20k per week over 7 seasons = 20k x 14 weeks x 7 seasons = around 2mil

So total costs to train a complete SF would amount to something like 3.5mil.

That is why I just didn't bother with training a SF and went out and bought a 4mil SF instead. Only because I never had the patience to train a SF cos I know the pain and sacrifices to train one =P

i think ur cost estimation is a bit not very accurate:

So to train a SF you will need an 18 yr old trainee, thats going to cost around 1.2mil

with 1.2mil u can buy a top 18 SF prospect with high potential, but for an SF the potential needs not to be an MVP and it cost you much less if u accept that ur trainnee is about 4-5 skills lower than the top ones, which should take u half a season longer to train him to attain the same height

this is my trainnee. his skills are quite gd in my opinions. he only cost me $135000. more importantly, he's from a small country and surely he'll be an U21 with 2-3 seasons training:

Small Forward
Owner: Red Red Rose

DMI: 9500
Age: 18
Height: 6'6" / 198 cm
Potential: perennial allstar
Game Shape: average
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: average
Driving: respectable Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: awful Free Throw: average

Experience: atrocious

You will need a decent trainer...
level 5 - thats going to cost you about 300k up front and 20k per week.
level 6 - 1mil up front and 20k per week.

20k per week over 7 seasons = 20k x 14 weeks x 7 seasons = around 2mil

but for this part, u underestimate the cost. the salary rise of a trainer is large. when u first buy him, he cost u 20k per week. but 7 seasons later, he may cost u 60k-70k per week and u may better buy another trainer...

personally i am for training SFs. coz they sell for a high price. and dont forget u should at least train 3 SFs at the same time. so after 6-7 seasons training, u can sell 2 of them which gains u 8-9 million and keep the best one. then with 8-9 million u can basically buy 4 top players for the other 4 positions and have a championship team.

and for myself, i rejoin this game simply coz i enjoy the process of training an SF (and the pride to have one as well). and i don't care about staying in division 4 in the next 5-6 seasons ^^

wow thats not a bad trainee for only $135k. good height, good range of medium level skills, pity he is not from Hong Kong!

It is true that a SF don't need high potential, world class SF these days max out around 90k salary. But you will need at least $1.2mil if u wanted an 18 yr old with the right skill set to begin training with.

but for this part, u underestimate the cost. the salary rise of a trainer is large. when u first buy him, he cost u 20k per week. but 7 seasons later, he may cost u 60k-70k per week and u may better buy another trainer...

awesome so you agree that training a SF will cost a lot more then the 3.5mil I estimated =P

Yes you can also be training another 2 SF in the mean time as well and sell them for a nice profit.. but I'll be training 3 guards or centers to sell as well.

There are many paths to a true great SF, just like there are many ways to play this game =P All paths taken are correct as long as you enjoy the game ^^

It is true that a SF don't need high potential, world class SF these days max out around 90k salary.

I don't agree with this. The cap isn't about salary, is about skills. If you're talking about centers or guards, it's pretty much the salary, but with SF's this is not the case, I believe you need high potential to train top SF's.

i have to admit i didnt read all answers.

for me the biggest advantage of having a good small forward is the tactical variety compared to your weekly financial outcome

a) offensively: the opponent isnt able to put a pure pf/c on the sf-spot because your sf could shoot 3 after 3 and isnt able to put an pg/sg on the sf because your sf could outscore him by posting up.

b) defensively: your 'sf' could quite simply play ot of position at the sg or pf spot creating a hard missmatch for your opponent but is still able to defend the opponents pf or sg.

all based on the case that your tactical choices/guesses are right.

for reference look at Distler (4599748)

playing at pf-spot in a motion offense: e.g. (29598028) and (29598011)
playing sg in a r&g offense: e.g. yesterdays game: (29598092)
or just play the sf in any given offense. (even if the game was lost: maybe take a look at the sf-matchuprating and boxscore in this game when he played vs a 50k sg most of the time: (29598070)

By high potential, what kind of potential are you referring to.. MVP / hall of fame / all time great?
You probably don't need higher then a superstar since top SF these days max around 90k salary. So maybe an allstar or perennial allstar could be enough? All star could be pushing it a little.

Examples are:
Rickleff Distler (4599748) 96k
Cane Vidojević (8181103) 84k
Wazza Kennerley (6863683) 83k

Around MVP, just because the cap isn't based on salary, but skills. Most of the times salary = skills but not on SF's ;)

well there is no perfect player. so there is no perfect sf.

distler capped around 2 seasons ago. still he is one of the better sf's in the game, but there are better ones. like on any given position from pg-c: the more potential the better.