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From: FurY

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Date: 10/27/2018 6:45:36 PM
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1) I don't think that i look at this as a 2 or 4 season plan. I look at it from the angle of how do we fix some of the things we don't do well in communication and development of both managers and players and improve upon them so that we can efficiently work towards a long term outlook that brings canada back to Worlds Group Pool 2, which is where even at a 6th of the larger country's player base it is capable of hanging worlds after worlds. Whether my legacy spans 2 seasons or 4 in Canada, i hope that it is one that can bring the results that Canada wants. The goal of season 1 is to find a guard prospect trainer and a big prospect trainer willing to dedicate themselves to developing two players a piece that can bring success to Canada while also being able to turn 300k players into 2-3m in cash once they or done (or if they keep them, they can be integral parts of their future too!).

2) I would probably look to turn it back towards training elastically. There are ways to influence the development of players quciker by improving certain skillsets first, and by doing this you can squeeze a 42 week plan down to 39 weeks, and have those 3 left for additional pops going into age 21. While having a few unique players with high ball movement is useful, it is less efficient training overall to focus that in the 18-19 timeframe of their development in my opinion. If you want to focus it, training PA at age 20 is more likely to produce quicker pops if you have the OD/HA/DR trifrecta considerably higher than it.

From: FurY

To: RiP
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Date: 10/28/2018 3:48:11 PM
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In a sentence, it's more centralized and refined information than what you or the outgoing u21 manager had. In detail: His approach had a lot of great analysis for the u21 manager, but not so much for someone trying to learn how to develop talent and how to pass that information along. I assume you have a similar amount of detailed gameshape/growth information.

I've sent a PM as well with some additional information on some of the finer details of the spreadsheet. Until i know more about the current state of any offsite/discord/chat for canadian managers in general though, i'd rather not develop the full plan of a 'database' until either i win the u21 election and get that information, or i lose and get that information because you see the merits, and i'll just build it and let you copy the document and you can take it from there.

From: Myles

To: FurY
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This seems quite vague. You're doing what normal politicians do, promising things without any way of explaining what they are.

From: FurY

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Politicians promise something and don't deliver on it, which is why you watch who funds their campaign to understand what their actual goals are...

In this specific case, since i've already gotten two PM's from outside the US and Canada about this election debate, i don't want to give away a specific part of what i plan to do to them. if you want me to mail you in game so you're not left out in the dark, i have no problems.

From: Myles

To: FurY
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You're running for office and you won't give out any information in public. I'm trying to be transparent, whereas you don't seem very trustworthy since you can't even trust the country to give out information in public.

From: Myles

To: FurY
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Date: 10/28/2018 10:16:26 PM
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I would like to address something with you Mr. Furyak. Many people who have worked with you on various NT Teams have come forward, over the last few days to reveal some information. This was sent to me through PMS. I would like to see your take on what they say.

The Allegations

- 3/4 of your scouts had left your side during your management, because of your demeanor
- You wouldn't pick players if they came from managers you didn't like.
- You lost a gold medal due to tactical incompetence


From: Fwinns

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Date: 10/28/2018 10:28:44 PM
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Can you give the names of these people so that we can check your allegations as well?

From: Myles

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They want their names to be protected. If they want to come forward, they can. The first thing one of them told me was that I could not reveal their name. Others advised against it as well. Even if he doesn't know the names, he can still address the issues; since they aren't coming completely out of left field.

From: Fwinns

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Date: 10/28/2018 11:22:35 PM
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Alright fair enough

Edit: if these people can contact me via pm I'd like to hear what they have to say as well

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From: FurY

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Keep in mind, that repeated personal attacks are actually in the forum rules as against forum policy. They don't want to come forward because the person in question will not come forward given those rules, and was reliant on you breaking forum rules for him.

When i took over, i entrusted a lot of work to jkalltheway, who was the lead scout. I had all of the u21 team with the exception of a few of his scouted players, who he had developed relationships with, and he made sure they knew what they were supposed to do to get their players on the team. If you want to know whether or not the staff of 3 people dropped by 3/4th's of the membership that was there, i suggest you go ask him.

We had 5 or 6 scouts running the entire group of players. I enlisted A-Dub at times to help some of the HoF potential players' owners to understand what they needed to do, and jkalltheway enlisted the help of a friend of his to help try to get the offsite advanced stats back online.

There was only one scout who left without saying a word prior to the americas tournament in season 34 (tough's era). Said manager came back and was given u21 access despite not being a scout because of his previous scouting experience, and demanded that he got only worlds class players to scout because it wasn't "worth his time" to worry about americas that i should win hands down every time. Despite that attack, his player were still put on the u21 team. I’ve deleted the rest of this rebuttal against this owner as on second thought bringing it back up would be probably what he wants me to do. When players don’t get picked it’s gameshape. If you don’t manage gameshape effectively, I look at owners who have 1-3 tsp less on their players, and take them.

I'm not going to respond to my tactical incompetence. If someone doesn't agree with decisions i made, that's their right. What i said in the first post i made on the debate thread is that my personality is very straightforward. I will tell you what i am thinking, i will sometimes assume that i am right and you are wrong correctly and sometimes incorrectly, and i will tell you that straight up rather than sugar coating it. That is/was/and forever will be what you do need to expect from me.



Last edited by FurY at 10/29/2018 1:12:02 AM

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