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From: malice

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191409.22 in reply to 191409.21
Date: 7/29/2011 5:04:12 AM
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If you don't own a Japanese NT player then it7s hard to gauge exactly what our trackrecord on communication is.
Actually not owning any NT player makes it hard to know what normal is anyway.

As far as JBBL vs. II.1 We are a 40 user nation. We aren7t talking about JBBl and a larger community outside of it. We are talking about team7s that belong in JBBL, newer teams and teams going bot. Because of the way teh game is set up, as you pointed out, some teams make it to JBBL which wouldn't make it past first round in II.1. This also means taht teams like yours that should ahve a shot at JBBL every season, are stuck in 4th and 5th in II.1 behind 2 or 3 teams taht really belong up here.

IMO the NT coach has no need to contact inactive teams that themselves never post in the forums from division II ,and you would be an example of someone in div II who is not ignored i nanyway. We are just a small community. The solution is to get it bigger.

Say what Wolph? Because I don't own a NT player, I can't tell what communication is like? So... my eyes don't work now?
I read forums. I sometimes read the JBBL ones too, as well as the Nippon forums.
Please Wolph...
There's no networking. There's no sharing of information. There's no plan of attack to get the users we DO have involved in any way, shape or form. There is no sharing of resources and working together.
So please don't point to some mythical levels of communication.

And really? "We're a 40 user nation". What a load of tripe.
We're a JBBL nation at the moment, and whatever Japanese players we can get together from other nations' leagues.
You talk of the necessity of "getting more users"... That's simply BS. We GET more users, but they bail after less than a month. We have about a 1-in-5 retention rate of new users in Japan.
The problem isn't Japanese language per se, it's having some sort of system in place to get new users on their feet in that first 4-6 weeks. BB isn't particularly user-friendly for the new guy, and it leans heavily on the community to support them.
We have... pretty much nothing.
We SHOULD be talking about "JBBL and a larger community outside of it". Throwing this to the JBBL guys (and I know it's a lil' unfair because you're simply guys playing a game, and have busy lives outside of it): but is there really any leadership from the top at the moment?

True. Izaman shouldn't have to contact inactive teams. But he should be contacting those that are active. We aren't a small community. We're not really a community at all. "Getting bigger" won't happen by magic Wolph.


The problem remains, Japan is very skimpy on the Bigs.
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But to have a good NT team where we are now, we have to find the MVP bigs from this years draft and MAKE SURE they are getting trained properly. Then maybe, Just maybe, we can compete in the Asian championships.

Because the Look insides are coming and in full force.

I hear you. Unfortunately, they're not around in abundance.
In II.4's draft there was a very good candidate - (21305788). But he was immediately sold. He would have fit perfectly in my training program, but unfortunately cash is sparse.
In II.1, dhods picked up the guy I'd targeted - (21305606). But he still has him...
As I said, unfortunately doing our bit for the country isn't that easy.

I know its sad, but that's what happens when we have 40 users. Div.II drafts hopefully gave us somethign to have hope for in terms of this year's 18 y/os.

More of the same Wolph... how do you even know who drafted what amongst the "40 users"? Therein lies the problem... we don't know, and we should.
We should start a forum off-site (because MANY Nippon users don't have supporter), and keep a data-base of who's-getting-what. Then keeping track of it - for both the U21 and NT coaches would be a helluva lot easier.

/rant

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191409.23 in reply to 191409.13
Date: 7/29/2011 5:13:32 AM
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I looked at the current team of Japan, more than half the players playing abroad.
All of you writing in English on Japan BB forums.
My opinion is that knowing of English enough to be the manager of Japan NT.

I know the NT system (and I was manager of South Africa U21 NT and Serbia NT).

He knows our players, our needs, our community.

If I become manager of Japan NT, for 2-3 days I will know all your players who can play in Japan NT.
Also, each manager will receive a BB-mail from me with instructions how to train their players (if they want to help Japan NT).

Your needs are probably the same as all the other BB community (to make a better players for the NT team and better place in the continental championship)

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191409.24 in reply to 191409.23
Date: 7/29/2011 5:28:38 AM
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My opinion is that knowing of English enough to be the manager of Japan NT.

This is correct.

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From: Jabby

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191409.25 in reply to 191409.24
Date: 7/29/2011 7:30:52 AM
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Just for the information, I havr the will AND the capacity to create useful tools for detecting and following nt players.

I already made it for France and I think it's necessary. It could come alongside à new communication tool.

From: malice

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191409.26 in reply to 191409.25
Date: 7/29/2011 7:37:56 AM
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That'd be cool Jabby. Regardless of the outcome of the election, would you still be interested in creating it? Or would it be contingent upon your getting the position?


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191409.27 in reply to 191409.7
Date: 7/29/2011 8:08:45 AM
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As I have a lot of work at the moment and other personnal issues, I didn't took time to post a speech this time.


Well that made that decision easy. I have a lot of contact with the U21 manager but the NT seems to be a world away and has never shown any interest that I am aware of in anything outside the JBBL. However I do have a preference for a Japanese manager.

So Izaman or BG. May I ask you both a question, what will you both do to try and improve communication with the rest of Japan outside the JBBL and long term planning?

From: malice

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191409.29 in reply to 191409.28
Date: 7/29/2011 10:29:06 AM
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Wow Wolph, I'm amazed at the lack of scope of your vision.

Have a look around: pretty much every successful nation has an offsite forum where they can discuss NTs/U21 - kinda like this: (http://nippon-bb.forumjap.com/). Not a single soul mentioned anything about posting information publicly. Use your wits man.

Are you coming across as "elitist"? No, but you're coming across as a bit small-minded. I have no idea why you're attacking me for asking questions that SHOULD be asked. You're not even RUNNING for election! Bizarre, that you'd get so defensive over something that you're not even involved in.

Don't tell me about "any nation with 150 users... ", because - and let's be honest here - you simply don't know. Have you checked? I have. For example, the US welcomes involvement of members at any level, and encourages people to be involved in scouting teams and other aspects of planning. There's no reason at all why we couldn't have a more open book policy regarding what's going on at all levels of National representation, and fostering a better community.

Yes, this all involves Taiyo. And he's actually spoken to me several times about the U21 team. But it also should be about the National team, and about those who *should* be a little more community-minded.
If you can't see that, then perhaps it's time for you to stop talking.

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191409.31 in reply to 191409.25
Date: 7/29/2011 11:31:41 AM
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Running the NT isn't difficult - its just time consuming.

Anyone able to devote the time to running the Nippon NT can do a great job but is limited with the resources.... if we were talking about a 500+ userbase nation then of course its a different story but lets be fair our NT picks itself based on Gameshape....and if anyone wants to argue that its not that simple you are over analysing the situation.

Furusawa is 26 - has recd training all last season and is only 1 skill up from capping out as a big man... (1 IS for sure, probably 1 RB and maybe 1.5 ID).... did you want me to give him that and then not squeeze anymore handling out of him or the JS that he got recently?

Your argument on Ochi is equally weak... he wins matches because of his IS. Maybe not at NT level but at club level you all bitch and moan about my LI tactic, what you overlook is I've built 2 guys with great OD and IS... very rare - so when I don't have a JS advantage anymore because everyone has shored up their outside defence, I know you can't contain my big men.... so again, don't complain that LI is too powerful when you haven't got the players to combat the tactic.

Back to the NT - its more about dedication and so in my opinion it should go to the most passionate/capable manager. Have fun with the NT and enjoy communicating with our managers.... a lot of people would love to be living and working in Japan and I would hope not all the BB mails are just about training etc.

I've made some good friends in the seasons I've played this game through regular communication and managing our NT allows you to do this as well as engross yourself deeper into the game itself.


From: Jabby

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191409.32 in reply to 191409.26
Date: 7/29/2011 1:34:52 PM
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I would not blackmail you saying I wil not do it if I'm not elected. Fact is, I'll probably not take the time to do it and focus on something else (my team, helping our NT or whatever) rather than spending time on something that will not be useful to me ;).

For the fact of me not posting a speech, once again I'm sorry to do it like that but even if I wanted to do so I really don't have time to do it, so I prefer not doing anything than an half assed speech ^^. I will, hopefuly, have more time if I go to the second round ^^

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