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296465.15 in reply to 296465.11
Date: 10/27/2018 9:52:05 AM
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Thanks for the suggestion. but I already showed that when I was NT I will work on communicating even if it means the owner doesn't respond. heck I must have sent you 8 messages about guevremont and only got one response back.. so I proved that to you. in terms of the "two way street" comment I made, It was in reference to the fact he was the coach, I was no longer the coach.... of course if I was coach id make the effort(extra), which is why I was expecting it from the coach.. (make sense? )

and I wasn't blaming....blaming make it seem as though I didn't take responsibility. I admitted it was a two way street, which means I take responsibility but he should too.. thus the two way street :) not an excuse, it's a rationale.


anyways, good luck to all candidates..

@FurYak... clearly your record speaks for itself. It ironic that you made the 'it should be the best candidate who wins regardless of country thing".. I agree with you, but it's ironic because in the USA U21 threads, they discourage foreigners from running. But alas, good luck to you as well.



From: Music_Chick

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296465.16 in reply to 296465.13
Date: 10/27/2018 9:55:04 AM
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not a disingenuine person.. i'm the opposite. there are many of those in BB, I am not one of them. All my intents and purposes are genuine and I'll leave it at that, because I'm not looking to create further divide.

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296465.17 in reply to 296465.15
Date: 10/27/2018 10:03:14 AM
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I also did not say that I was "excited" to talk with you like you wanted to be with the NT. It was during a time where I wasn't as involved with the game as I am now.

Also: If you REALLY wanted to be involved with the team, wouldn't you persist to work with RIP? At that time, I didn't want to be part of the team management.

From: Fwinns

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296465.18 in reply to 296465.14
Date: 10/27/2018 11:03:49 AM
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i do have a spreadsheet (a bit messy but with everything needed), I'll send it to the new manager.
I'd like to have a response from Fury about the scouting as well. Do you plan on scouting the ~600 players 18-21yo with allstar+ potential by yourself?
You can't really count on scouts, response rate are way too low for that, so you'll need to do the work if you intend to have a player database. The trouble with young players is that you can't really count on the salary to make a selection for you so there's no way around it.
It took me a good week to scout all players (starting from scratch). Is any of the candidates willing to do that or do you count on other means to select the ~15 best players?

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296465.19 in reply to 296465.18
Date: 10/27/2018 11:26:07 AM
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If I win the election, I will be going through with the scouting of all 600~ players. I did it last time that I was u21 manager (since Kumiko had passed), and would be okay with doing it once again. The scouting portion of the job, might be the most fun part of it all.

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Date: 10/27/2018 11:56:37 AM
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Calling it fun might be a big stretch (it' s boring and repetitive!), but it sure is a big part of the job at the beginning

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296465.21 in reply to 296465.19
Date: 10/27/2018 12:26:10 PM
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It is definitely most time consuming. I am also looking for commitment when it comes to building a database and believe it would be beneficial to have something like that on the offsite accessible by few trusted personnel. I remember something like that was setup once or twice and we actually had decent activity back when I was NT manager with people contribution to pre-game discussions.
How much time in first week after selection is each candidate willing to spend on building database
How much time in consecutive weeks one believes it will take to do a good job as U21 manager and are they ready for such commitment?

My questions for the candidates are those: given that even in fairly small country the depth in U21 is so much bigger than in NT, it is possible you will have to make tough decisions when it comes to roster:

- what do you prioritize on players in U21 - offense, defense, flow?
- Do you believe the way to achieve success is to go with primary skills non-stop or is there still time to work on secondaries?
- What are the two most important secondary skills on big men



Also as a sidenote: why in the world doesn't BB allow to have official position of NT assistant manager? For example main manager could turn on/off option for assistant to set lineups, etc. based on the time he has on the given week and the trust he/she has for the assistant

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296465.22 in reply to 296465.21
Date: 10/27/2018 1:06:27 PM
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Thank you for everyone's consideration. I am taking my name out of the hat. I will alwasy be fortunate to those who gave me the chance to be NT Coach, as I had a blast, but i truly dislike the process/negative types of discussions that take place in NT election forums. I'll chose to keep my integrity over having to stoop lower and continue to focus on negative talk instead of focusing on the task which is trying to make Canada better.


If my opinion counts at all, I would suggest people vote for FurYak. He has a great track record and seems like he coudl be an asset to our program. Sparky has had his chances in the past.

Good luck FurYak... we can't claim that a foreginer would screw up our program, as our own have already done that on other occasions.

I will not run in this country again. POwer goes to the negative ones.

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296465.23 in reply to 296465.14
Date: 10/27/2018 1:12:45 PM
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If there isn't one, then that's about the smallest problem i'll have. Means i do not have to hurt someone elses feelings to improve a system in the event that they put forth a lot of effort.

I wouldn't call it "impressive" either, i would simply say it is effective in giving the most people the access they need to make good decisions for the first two years of development while giving scouts/national manager(s) the ability to update to a single place and develop a line of communication.

What i found on the u21 side in my previous four season stint is that you don't so much need the updates mid season about where the prospects are at, you need to have people at your disposal that have built successful u21 players in the past for the team that are willing to spend some time helping newer players or inexperienced players learn the game quicker. This is arguably more rewarding than any "wins" that i can accomplish in the first two seasons. If the other candidates are as interested as they sound in the u21 and willing to put in the solo work as well, i'll build you a framework google document win or lose that you can copy. Then if you don't trust me simply replicate it in your own google document and don't invite me and you have a working program that improves overall communication and helps organize your scouting.

Music_Chick, this is the same with regards to the public discussions in other nations, it's why i just live with some of the attacks and occasionally have dished my own back out. I'd certainly love to have your help with assisting others in learning the game should they respond back to my initial scouting. The one on one aid to owners who want the help is much more rewarding.

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296465.24 in reply to 296465.21
Date: 10/27/2018 2:41:02 PM
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The first few days is all you need to build the core features. Anything else is just icing, and i can do that at a less critical time. Need to do player evaluations before the enthusiasm reset happens.

Consecutive weeks is 45, on just over 3 seasons. The 18 year old draftees that i will scout this season will be the first actual class of players that i have full control and responsibility over. Getting them from start to finish is the most important and consecutive part of the job, moreso than the gameplanning for each opponent. You have all of 18, all of 19, all of 20, and the first three or so weeks of 21 to get a player to the point where he can be considered for the u21 position. From there, development is still important week to week, but gameshape begins to take significant priority by the halfway point of season 21. I'm not sure whether or not i survive long enough to reach the point where i can take the group of owners and players i work with to that level given i will be judged largely on a player base that i had about 18 weeks of my own development time to invest in.


As far as the remaining strategic questions

1) Defense, Handling, Defense, Rebounding. Outside Defense and Inside Defense improve the rate of contested:uncontested shots (amongst other things such as reducing the passing efficiency of the opponent). Shot blocking also plays a part, but if there is something i am ok with sacrificing it is shot blocking as it increases the big rating and salary of a player too significantly for managers to control. from there, reducing the amount of turnovers and increasing the amount of rebounds we win over the opponent will reduce the amount of opportunities the opponent will freely generate.

2) My valuation of players is that you prioritize the players with decent primaries and good secondaries (typically 50-54 tsp) with those willing to spend on the quality. For guards, you will inherently train some IS if you utilize OnevOne @ Forward AND every 8 weeks in OD you will usually see ID pop, and that'll get you on better starting players to the point where they have about 7-10 IS and 6-8 ID, which is kinda useful. This is especially true of the Small Forward position. you will see me do some interesting things from here.

3) Depends on the opponent, which is why you honestly need bigs with different strengths in their secondaries to have a real chance. Some opponents value OD on bigs, which means any HA + PA <= 5 big on the team will have 0-1 assists and 3-5 TO's in the game. Some opponents value shooting on bigs (which really only means they'll gain 4-5 points per big if your big's have OD's of 1 and 2 over the 5+ OD bigs), some opponents value donkeys that can be exposed ridiculously quickly by any bigs we have with high OD/HA. If you wanted me to pick two, i'd probably pick HA/PA to reduce flow issues from 12-20 TO's a game to a more managable and consistent 6-13 average pending the opponent's philosophy.

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