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Season 70 Start of Season Report :-

Scores next to team names are the average player ratings for the whole team at the end of season 69.

Some teams may be strengthening / starting a rebuild and therefore may change quality drastically. But this should still give an idea of where everybody compares as of today.

These conferences presented in reverse order of toughness in my personal opinion:

#8 - II.4 Big 8

09.9 - Barcelona Dragons
09.0 - Botanical Power
08.9 - Hull Radom
07.0 - Banana Tropical
06.8 - BBBall
06.7 - Locomotiva Flamers
05.9 - BigBunda
05.4 - Marsaxlokk United

#7 II.3 Big 8

11.1 - The Dabberz
10.7 - Sporting Club Vikingur
10.5 - Cleveland Sparta
09.8 - Flower of Scotland
09.4 - Hawkboys
05.9 - Qintara
05.5 - The Cabbage
04.5 - Clips

#6 II.2 Great 8

11.8 - Glasgow Raptors
11.6 - Santa Booker
10.9 - Locomotive Edinburgh
10.7 - Raging Seagull
08.9 - Bibby Brotherhood
05.4 - Milsami
04.7 - CrvJeep
04.1 - Razs Legends BC

#5 II.4 Great 8

11.7 - Breiðholt SubSonics
11.6 - Fimbles
09.6 - Mackattack
08.7 - Stómas
08.5 - Bezerkers Ball Club
08.4 - MT Andorra
07.2 - Petrocub-Moldova
04.8 - Höttur

#4 II.2 Big 8

12.3 - Glasgow Blue Jays
11.8 - Skytturnar
11.4 - Chicago Bulbs II
10.6 - Revolta Culé, B.C.
10.2 - Dropito
05.9 - Comandaranga
05.3 - Vella Aloja
04.0 - Brothers

#3 II.1 Great 8

12.7 - Malta Pissedons
11.9 - KB Peja
11.4 - The Red Hammers
11.2 - The Others
11.1 - Bardigakappi
06.2 - Asociatia Firenze-Chisinau
05.7 - Mână Moartă
05.4 - CUX United

#2 II.3 Great 8

11.7 - Fighting Cats
11.4 - Barcelona Chisinau
11.2 - Valletta
10.9 - Cythreuliad Conwy
10.8 - Blindhead
09.5 - The Brick Squad
06.4 - Pastizzi
05.3 - Karabasket

#1 II.1 Big 8

12.8 - Devstry
11.9 - Vagarshapat
11.1 - Victoria Killers
10.9 - Minas Morgul
10.8 - Virtus Floriana
09.4 - Ucigasii
07.1 - Pic Pedrosa
06.3 - Llegendes d'Andorra

Relegated division II teams and how they compared to the above :-

07.4 - Olympique Balti
06.2 - Yerevan
05.8 - Ciocan Lakers
05.5 - Rocalux
05.5 - Duncan Donuts 2.0

I like how the perceived strength of each division can drastically change after just one single season.

If we compare S69 to S70, some changes are noteable:

#8 - II.4 Big 8 - #8 - II.4 Big 8

This spot remained the same

#7 - II.4 Great 8 - #7 II.3 Big 8

The Dabberz and Flowers of Scottland are able to threaten any Div2 team in Europe, they are also the only reason why the division is not dead last in the ranking.

#6 - II.3 Big 8 - #6 II.2 Great 8

Santa Booker proving that he belongs to the Big Boys Leagues and going indeed on a deep playoff run. The Scottish Trifecta across the Big 8 and Great 8, the Glasgow Blue Jays, the Glasgow Raptors, and Locomotive Edinburgh dictating the tempo during the regular season, outgunning their opponents with their impressive offensive arsenal, and putting to shame the military spendings of several countries in the world. This was until Celestia BC decided to invest 100% of their GDP in their offense and went full bunker buster in the playoffs. Make no mistake, the members of the II.2 Great 8 are competitive contenders at any given moment.

#5 - II.1 Big 8 - #5 II.4 Great 8

Fimbles, a fellow survivor of the II.3 Great 8, and Stomas an ESL winner landing here, while the other teams have gradually improved their teams since last season... I feel great upsets will happen here in the future.

#4 - II.2 Great 8 - #4 II.2 Big 8
A swap has happened here. While the league seems to be marginally weaker than its II.2 counterpart, I have a feeling that some teams will opt to for buying strong players at the end of the season, and gun for a deep play off run.

#3 - II.3 Great 8 -#3 II.1 Great 8
While seemingly demoted to the #spot, we have many ESL veterans here who can show the new teams the definition of competitiveness.

#2 - II.2 Big 8 - #2 II.3 Great 8
i will simply repost a statement a user made a couple of seasons ago:

This league has been, in my opinion, the most difficult league among all divisions of Nations of Europe, perhaps even of all of Europe.

#1 - II.1 Great 8 - #1 II.1 Big 8
Minas Morgul being rated the 4th strongest team in that division should rightfully send shivers up your spine. Enough said, this is a terrifying group.


Overall, I would argue that the #5 II.4 Great 8 should be number #6, #4 II.2 Big 8 should be #5, and #6 II.2 Great 8 should remain on the number 4 spot.



Last edited by JoviLux at 10/15/2025 5:19:40 PM

Didn't have enough characters spare to explain my order but especially since you have a different order in the middle, I'll explain my logic now.

#8 - II.4 Big 8 were always going to be last. Barcelona is experienced, Botanical Power and Hull Radom are trending up fairly quickly and in a season or two may be real powers, but currently if no team can crack 10 average player rating and the best rated team would be 6th in multiple other conferences then you are a weak conference.

#7 - II.3 Big 8 has Flower of Scotland as a wildcard ready to explode the season they decide they have the funds to make a push and are hard to rank as they might be rebuilding this season but also might end up pushing this season (see also Minas Morgul or Stómas in higher-ranked conferences for similarly hard-to-rank potential giants). In the end though, the top team was #17 in division II last season for average rating so difficult to justify higher.

#6 II.2 Great 8 - Glasgow Raptors are always a strong team somewhere around 11, Santa Booker, Raging Seagull and myself all improved noticeably last season, but none of us are exactly scary powerhouses yet, and to be fair we shouldn't be! I am at $375k/week wages, Santa Booker are about $300k, and Raging Seagull $270k. We are probably all overperforming with what we have! Unless one of the top 4 spends big, #6 is where I feel this conference belongs.

#5 II.4 Great 8 - This conference scores higher than the above partly because the weaker teams aren't as weak, and that one of them is Stómas who might decide this is the season to hulk-smash back to the ESL before either Breiðholt and Fimbles (both trending up) become strong enough to be a bigger problem or they get moved to a stronger conference.

#4 II.2 Big 8 - Glasgow Raptors against this confernence's then top 6 last season? 0-6. Raging Seagull 0-6. Santa Booker 1-5. I was 3-3 and was pretty pleased with that. This conference has been stronger than the II.2 Great 8 and until at least a couple of us can have winning records against the top teams in it to prove otherwise then that will remain the case. Also, if you like games where multiple teams have put out tremendous level defence and seem to like to win defensive rockfights 82-68 then this is the place to be!

#3 II.1 Great 8 - 5 teams averaging over 11 means this conference can't be rated lower. But the bottom 3 averaging under 6 means it also can't be rated higher. I expect whoever finishes 5th to potentially be the strongest division 2 team not in the play-offs this season unless one of those top 5 teams botifies.

#2 II.3 Great 8 - Very slightly weaker top end than the number #3 conference but a whole bunch stronger at the bottom with you being 6th rated here and only the #5 conference has a 6th rated team even close in rating. 7th rated Pastizzi were the strongest of the promoted sides so I could see them being ambitious and spending heavily to get more competitive (and will have to to get near the salary floor by the end of season anyway!) and being on a Hull Radom type trajectory as they have a little less improvement needed.

#1 II.1 Big 8 - Quality top 5, 2nd strongest #6, 2nd strongest #7, and the strongest #8 that would be #6 in most conferences. Also Minas Morgul may say he isn't spending for promotion but with a track record of 6 Europa Cup wins in 10 seasons and 6 seasons in the last 10 where he got out of the group stages of the BBB will certainly know how to maximize what he does have on the court whatever he decides! I won't be surprised if at least one of the other teams (Devstry maybe?) goes on a Celestia-style spending spree just in case especially as even if they win out, they would still likely have a high 12, maybe even 13 rating team to overcome from the other conference as Malta Pissedons are basically already that, and KB Peja, The Red Hammers, The Others, or Bardagakappi, could all conceivably be at that level at the end of this season.



Last edited by StrategicHamlets at 10/16/2025 5:10:06 PM

Very minor bit of bonus content. Have you looked at the promoted teams and wondered who is building up the arena for a more sustainable BuzzerBeater future and so might become more of an challenge down the line? Me too! So I looked at their arena pages and this is what they have built so far :-

9892 - Milsami
7510 - Mână Moartă
7230 - The Cabbage
6685 - Qintara
6500 - Pastizzi
6234 - Marsaxlokk United
6000 - CUX United
6000 - Vella Aloja
6000 - Brothers
6000 - Clips
6000 - Karabasket
6000 - Höttur


Last edited by StrategicHamlets at 10/16/2025 5:28:17 PM