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I've seen a lot of threads about SB, and most of the questions asked have already been answered.Those of us who have/had players with high SB, know how much impact that skill has.I have a player(19718737) that had ID 19, SB 16, he played 64 games for Serbian NT, he has 2 medals with NT, and he led me from IV to I division.I also had this guy(19604595) who had ID 17 and SB 17. So:

1. Is SB an effective skill against IS?
- Yes it is.

2. Is SB less expensive than other inside skills?
- Yes it is.

3. Can you build a successful SB team that can win trophies?
- Yes, in most of the leagues (proven by Manon and Captainteemo).

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But, there is one question that I would like to here thoughts about:
4. Can you build a SB team that can win against a world-class LI team, without having higher salaries?

This is a complicated question.First of all, what is a top-class LI team? Well for example, something like this:

- Player 1: (http://i.imgur.com/S1rH5pB.png)
- Player 2: (http://i.imgur.com/3qasR3r.png)
- Player 3: (http://i.imgur.com/x2YcR53.png)
- Player 4: (http://i.imgur.com/aJvnnWl.png)
- Player 5: (http://i.imgur.com/iXbUVQN.png)
- Player 6: (http://i.imgur.com/V9dgCpB.png)
- Player 7: (http://i.imgur.com/M3JUa31.png)
- Player 8: (http://i.imgur.com/34836vC.png)

Now, these are all realistic players, based on players in Serbian League and we can see these kind of players on a transfer list pretty often.I didn't use those "unrealistic" 145+ TSP, PF's and SF's.

Tactics:

PG: Player 1 (36-38min), Player 4 (10-12min)
SG: Player 2 (36-38min), Player 4 (10-12min)
SF: Player 3 (36-38min), Player 5 (10-12min)
PF: Player 6 (36-38min), Player 8 (10-12min)
C:  Player 7 (36-38min), Player 8 (10-12min)

Man to man, LI, and in defense SG would guard SF and vise versa.

I'm curious now, how would you build a SB team that you think would win against this one on neutral ground, with same enthusiasm, same GS, same GDP, same everything except for tactics of course.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I just want to hear thoughts on this from managers that support high SB players.

I don't understand your point when you're introducing your players, they both have high ID to go along their high SB. I don't think anyone ever claimed that high SB to go along high ID is a bad thing.

However, I'm out of the topic and do not answer your question so you may disregard my message.

I introduced my players just to show people that I have first-hand experience with SB.I've tried both 2-3 and 3-2 zone, and in many occasions it worked like a charm.So I know that it's effective.
But I'm quite skeptical whether or not it's possible to build a team based on SB and actually win against those strongest LI teams, without having bigger salaries.

I think that if you have the same team, but with these 3 players as SF/PF/C instead, you can beat them:

SF: (just moved 3 ID to 3 SB)
PF: (moved 1 ID and 2 RB to add 10! SB, moved some secondary skills around)
C: (moved 1 ID and 2 RB to add 7 SB, moved some secondary skills around)

These guys have the same TSP and salary, but are more effective than the ones you posted I think.

Last edited by Jeründerbar at 07/29/2015 10:16:24

I think you might get punished on the boards (which includes control after a successful block, among other things).

I'm assuming Nachtmar's comments about lower rebounding when SB is high hold true. I think especially for PF the 10 more SB will have more positive impact than the little lower rebounding. For example, you allow 4 more boards but make them miss 8 more shots because of SB

The blocks are followed by rebounds and if the rebounds are 60%-40% or 65%-35%, I can guarantee you will see a % of successful blocks that end up in the opponents' hands.

So 'even' if you get an extra 10 boards, only 6-7 would end up being your possessions. See here: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/85382956/reportmatch.as.... The assumption with blocks is that they a 100% successful defense, but a block is not a stop like a rebound or a steal. Ultimately a successful defense is either a turnover for the opponents or a miss/block successfully rebounded. You'd need to factor in the defensive and offensive rebounding rates, FG% and block rate to compare the 2 situations you outlined.

In any case, I don't think you can make a solid case SB>RB without numbers.

Edit: just to add to the discussion, this is what a 3 level difference in team rebounding looks like at top level: (85154449)
Superligota: ORB% 13/36; DRB% 43/52
Surental Lakers: ORB% 9/52; DRB% 23/36
So with those numbers, more than 36% of the blocks would still go to the opponent as offensive rebounds. Then you will have a new chance to score and block. And if there is another block then there is another chance for a rebound. And so on and so forth.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 07/29/2015 13:30:14

It could be possible, maybe a 3-2 zone with those players would work better than man to man, but I would still bet on the other team if it was a BBB game, because higher RB will get him more offenses, higher HA & PA better offensive flow, and probably less turnovers, and high DR, especially those with DR 20 could break the zone.
But that's still a world-class LI team that isn't much different than the one I mentioned.