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From: timo-93

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Date: 12/12/2017 10:21:21
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yeah of course, I would prefere ID on Guards, but only in M2M. SB isnt worth to be trained

From: hene10
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Date: 12/12/2017 11:26:15
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Ok, let me hear your opinion about need of rebounding and ID for PG, SG and SF when playing 3-2 zone?

From: Grabby

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Date: 12/12/2017 11:42:47
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Statistical support or anecdotal based on your prior teams? It was my understanding that it was more useful in zones than m2m. Also, is there shot vs. sb calculation on outside shots the same way it is used against inside shots.

Or am I completely missing the way the game engine calculates shots being made.

I'm trying to train a 3-2 team. My goal was

PG OD=x SB=x
SG OD=x SB=x
SF OD=x SB=x
PF ID=x SB=x
C ID=x SB=x

The idea is no weak link in the zone and lots of missed shots.

Great defensively or wasted on perimeter SB that could have been more OD.

From: timo-93

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290960.18 in reply to 290960.16
Date: 12/12/2017 12:17:42
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ID: As much as possible. But i dont think i would spend time training it.


- 3-2 dont slow down your rebounding, so I think it would be nice if your SF has RB.

- You dont need ID on PG,SG,SF. They dont defend under the basket. Best example:

Opponent: LI

1: You play M2M
2: You play 3-2

1: The guard of the opponent team drives to the basket. Your Guard has to defend him, so he comes with him under the basket. You guard needs ID

2: The opponent guard drives to the basket. Under the basket waits your Bigman to shotblock him. Your Guard dont need ID, he only needs OD to slow their offense that they take difficult shots!

Last edited by timo-93 at 12/12/2017 12:18:01

From: timo-93

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Date: 12/12/2017 12:23:25
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Statistical support or anecdotal based on your prior teams? It was my understanding that it was more useful in zones than m2m. Also, is there shot vs. sb calculation on outside shots the same way it is used against inside shots.

Or am I completely missing the way the game engine calculates shots being made.

I'm trying to train a 3-2 team. My goal was

PG OD=x SB=x
SG OD=x SB=x
SF OD=x SB=x
PF ID=x SB=x
C ID=x SB=x

The idea is no weak link in the zone and lots of missed shots.

Great defensively or wasted on perimeter SB that could have been more OD.


Grabby, 2 Seasons ago I had a German U21 national Team that was made for 3-2. Your bigmen has some problems with own offense, because they need very high shot blocking.

The main skills, that a 3-2 Zone works:

PG (OD) = SG (OD) = SF (OD)!
If you have for example PG 20, SG 20 and SF 10 your opponents best shooter will only take shots against your SF. So it will be nice to see PG=SG=SF!

PF(ID)=C(ID)=C(SB)=PF(SB)!

Your bigmen are waiting under the basket to start their blockparty. I think ID 16 and SB 16 are great starts. If you have that much shot blocking, you dont need so much rebounding. maybe 14-15...


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- Your Outside Player dont need ID, they dont come under your basket. Its the job of your bigs to protect it.
- SB is for outside player ok, but better when they come to the basket and block them from behind. You will never see a shot blocked 3pt shot... It really doesnt make sense to have sb on pg sg and sf in a 3-2 zone.




Last edited by timo-93 at 12/12/2017 12:25:11

From: timo-93

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Date: 12/12/2017 12:36:16
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If you see it like this, you need every player with every skill. I saw in a LI a Bigman shooting a 3pt... Everything happened in this game but it is a question if you really need JR on bigman while playing LI, or you better concentrate on other skills. I will never say: "hmmm i dont buy this guard, he has to low SB"... And to train SB or ID when I play 3-2 Zone is another criterium. I think its more efficent when you focus on more important skills like OD or JS on guards and ID/SB on Center...

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