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That's what I'm planning as well, except I want to max out the lower tier at 10,000. I'm getting closer with each passing season, but still a long ways to go.

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One thing to keep in mind is that the maximum earnings occur at different ratios for each divisions. An American manager used an attendance tool we use to have on the USA offsite to calculate the maximum earnings for your arena. Assuming a 20k arena, the DI the ratio was 12000/7500, DII 14000/5500, and DIII 16000/3500.

I am aiming for that 12000/7500 arena but you are not making as much more as you could be in DIII and DII so you could make an argument for more bleachers but I definitely would not be building 17k. There are some who even argue for a 15000/10000 arena but i feel that is excessive.

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Date: 08/09/2015 23:49:33
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I like this topic. Here is my arena: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/197874/arena.aspx

I plan to have 12000/7500/500/50 or something similar to that figures.

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The guy who did the calculation also created the training simulator so I trust his math.

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@ everyone: +1, thanks a lot for your input! :)

Obviously this issue requires more study from me. I've kept an eye for other human player arenas in my league and I've regularly checked out the attendance/arena expansion tool in buzzer-manager.com. The only real issue is the difficulty on making a choice, since you can't destroy arena seats and once it's finished expanding, it's really finished. I'm still striving for the total of 20550 seats since many users seem to agree on a soft cap around there.

The reason for why I started the thread is that I've read, understood and tested with my arena, that the lower tier retains more fans even after losses - and it's a rocky road to the top. Furthermore, at one's D.I league 18$ for bleachers is "normal" (from what I've seen). If you price your lower tier, say even at 21$ and succeed at filling those seats, then you're making more than what the bleacher seat could ever bring you.

@Phyr: Perhaps with correct pricing, one could influence the fans by raising the prices in the bleachers and keeping the lower tier at minimum? This of course will require some trial and error, but perhaps this way one could keep the arena at around that 12000/7500 D.I range, nevertheless of demotion/promotion issues. I assume the calculations you had on the offsite were a matter of diminishing returns, but one can only be that flexible in arena building!

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Offsite tool showed the prices of every single arena in a certain USA Division and the number of seats each team was able to fill at that price.

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Date: 08/19/2015 01:54:37
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I have had my Arena built for many seasons now; but lately I have been considering adding more Lower Tier Seats.

My question is, for those of you subscribing to this idea of larger Lower Tier Sections.... I already have 15,000 Bleacher seats...Do you believe that quantity of seats will interfere with having more Lower Tier Seats or is it worth for me to add them at this point?

Last edited by Jason at 08/19/2015 01:57:11

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Do you believe that quantity of seats will interfere with having more Lower Tier Seats

Fans buy tickets at the highest price they possibility can afford so the number of bleachers shouldn't affect LT sales. If fans can afford a LT ticket, they will buy it. If they can't, those potential LT fans buy bleachers.

is it worth for me to add them at this point?

In the long run, I would probably say yes especially in DI. Of course seeing how hypercompetitive the NBBA is, I dont know if I would be doing alot of arena building unless I was tanking because of the cost of LTs.

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Date: 08/19/2015 13:00:08
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Everyone is overthinking it. Just build a 15k/10k arena and that's it.

It's really not that hard to build, even in large nations. I'm in my third Utopia season, and my arena is already large enough. I'm on 150k weekly profit in Div IV

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