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You not only made a lot of users life easier, but most of your scouts, who get the constant questions like "How good they have to be."

However for the U21 Skills I think you were a bit harsh on passing, and a bit lenient of OD. Passing there has been lackluster amounts of. But If OD is 12(or lower) usually they have to have some redeeming quality/skill to them that separates them from the rest of the 12 OD 21 y/o', which there are a good number of.

I'm coming on like a know it all so Jelme pitch in with that.

Last edited by oriolekid at 02/16/2011 23:11:47

Shot Blocking: Do not train.

So, just out of curiosity, is this where we come out and say as a community that SB is completely useless and provides no benefit whatsoever?

I mean, in your center examples in the post following this one, you didn't even list SB as a skill when comparing secondaries of players:

Player A: 6 JS, 3 JR, 3 OD, 1 HA, 6 DR, 1 PA 17 IS, 15 ID, 16 RB

Player B: 7 JS, 8 JR, 7 OD, 8 HA, 6 DR, 6 PA 16 IS, 15 ID, 15 RB

Stamina & FT are omitted as well, but my point remains. What you seem to be saying, regarding NT prospects, is "as far as that player you're spending the next 7+ seasons training, if you train SB you are wasting your time."

How far off am I?

Thanks for the question jozef, SB is something I should have addressed in more detail.

I did mention FT as something I look at as far as secondaries.

I didn't say shotblocking is useless, I said do not train it, though I understand how you could get that impression. Most of the time our bigs on the NT have somewhere between 8-15 SB, because SB gets trained when you train ID. As a matter of fact, one of the bigs on the NT currently has lowish ID, but we live with it because he has the highest SB on the team. He probably wouldn't be on the team if not for his high SB. I consider it an important secondary skill, and you are right I should have included it in my example.

The reason I say do not train SB is actually several reasons. As I already said, SB will get trained when you train ID. If SB wasn't getting trained with anything then I might suggest training it, but thats not the case. Secondly, if you train SB you are eating up skill points that you could be using on primaries. For example, if you have a player with superstar-MVP potential, if he has 13 SB his primary skills are going to cap out much earlier, probably just short of where they need to be for NT consideration. U21 candidates are the same, you only have 3 seasons to train.

Again, due to SB, most superstar potential bigs cap out way before their primary skills are high enough to be considered. In theory some superstar potential big could reach 19/17/15 type skills or 15/18/18 or whatever, which would definitely be good enough to be on the team. At this point I would take a 19/17/15 player no matter what the SB was, but for a superstar potential player to reach that level they would have to have low SB.

Finally, SB is not cost effective at the club level. The hardest part about training NT level bigs is that their salaries get out of control. Look at our roster now, I believe not even one of our bigs is owned by an American manager. The average American manager has to sell their big at age 22. I mean would you want a 14/14/14 big on your team to have a salary of over 100k? It could happen if the SB was high enough.


Last edited by jfarb at 02/17/2011 13:28:06

Agree with Coco, pure defender would have a spot on the team. Yea I'd take someone with 20 ID/20 RB, as a matter of fact we have a prospect working towards that goal. 20 ID - 20 RB - 20 SB would I think have a humongous salary even if the IS was low. You can double check that at josef-ka's salary calculator: (http://www.how8.com/)

To add on to what Coco said about the pass first PG, passing starts getting very very expensive at a certain point and those players are usually only usable in a LI. I look at a guy like Esteban Moscote (Colombia NT) (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/6920462/overview.aspx) and I gather from his statistics that he probably is a "pass first" PG with high OD and relatively low JS/JR. While someone like that would be a great option for us on our roster, it would not be cost effective for an American manager, and if you have that high salary of a player it would be frustrating being unable to use him in an outside offense.

Specialists are always welcome, and we have several guard and big prospects that are working towards becoming specialists. The guide above was intended to be a very basic outline of what we look for.

Last edited by jfarb at 02/17/2011 15:46:56

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Someone needs to sticky this post on the help forum...could go a long way