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Hi, I am training a SG and I was wondering about how I should shape his JS-JR.

Poll:  Which one would you prefer for an outside oriented team?

To oriented team, I think a SG with min 13 on JR and more than 17 on JS.

I read on others post that JR don't make big advantage when more 13 level, but I don't know if a truth.

I am one of the 18-18 guys. And I can give you a detailed explaination why.

When BB-Charles was still active, he gave away, that the theory JR should stay at 12/13 is wrong. During discussions on "Forum Days" it came out, that the most efficient combination is JS=JR.
But what is the meaning of most efficient? I ran some analysis, but didn't get the idea behind it. During one of the last "Ask the BBs" I asked Marin how it works. Luckily he gave more insight.
The most efficient combination refers to the game engine. As far as I understand, it works like this:

Example:
JS 15 - 100%
JR 15 - 100%
Both are equal and considered 100% to each other.

JS 17 - 100%
JR 15 - 88%
For the game engine, you don't use your full 100% of potential (JS17 - JR17). With JR 15 you still lack 12%points.

(Note: this is a very simplified version. there are still other points which have an influence, but to get an idea how it's weighted, this should work)

BUT, the most efficient combination don't has to be the best in every situation. If you play against an OD 20 guard, it can happen that the JS20-JR16 player will perform better than the 18-18. His JS20 is strong enough to fight against the OD 20. JS18 could lack firepower and with this he has a handicap from the start. The question here would be: who has the higher FG% and 3ptr% at the end and who brings more points?

To sum up, it depends on the level of your opponent and what you aim for. With all the heavy loaded OD guard, it is very hard to surpass them. But still, I would go with a 18-18 PG and SG. Even 18-18 for a SF.

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 02/18/2018 05:20:27

I actually train him only for NT. I don't really care about his club performance since he is on my utopian team. In NT competition almost all guards have 19-20 OD, so is 20-16 better for NT? Or you still prefer 18-18 :)

all guards have 19-20 OD, so is 20-16 better for NT? Or you still prefer 18-18

If you go for PA <15, take 20-16. He will take a lot of shots (especially with high DR) and be a aggressive offense player.
If you go for PA >15, take 18-18. This guy will be a combo guard and thanks to his PA, he will be far more effective.

Currently I have 9 players with a high JS-JR combo in my fav list. All 9 are NT players and a bunch of monsters The highest JS-JR combo is at 20-18. But he has a "lower" PA, so he would be a player for the first group (maybe an idea for your player). To be honest, only 2 players have a high PA and go for the second group.

I was thinking about 13 PA. Don't want to increase his salary too much by puting him in PG salary range. I guess I will go with 20-16. Thanks for your replies.

Thanks more one time to your contribuiton!

What about higher JR than JS? Is that completely useless, just inefficient or does it have some merit?

What about higher JR than JS? Is that completely useless, just inefficient or does it have some merit?

It's the same logic. JR>JS means that your player don't use his full potential for these two skills. He will take less shots than JS>JR. But his 3pt% would be higher because of a more selective and better shot selection.