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318313.6 in reply to 318313.4
Date: 02/28/2023 04:55:07
Venomous Vicious Vipers
Pro A
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Second Team:
Veni Vidi Vicious
I think your best player has been a bit unlucky from the 3pt line. There's a lot of randomness in each game, both IRL and IG, and overall your team did really good.
I don't know exactly how the zone defenses are coded but I think you can have as many defended shots as a man to man defense. As you said, the efficiency of the zone depends on how players are built. For 3-2 you'll need for instance a lot of SB for your PF-C, and in 2-3 you'll need a lot of OD for your SF-PF cause they'll defend a lot of long 2s and 3s

Last edited by slamdunk9 at 02/28/2023 04:55:52

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318313.7 in reply to 318313.6
Date: 02/28/2023 07:22:56
Tbilisi Mavericks
Umaglesi Liga
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Hey guys. What about this game https://buzzerbeater.com/match/122082398/boxscore.aspx
League final 2 seasons ago.
I'm with 2-3 zone, opponent running push the ball, not outside oriented offense, but still shot almost 60% (13/22).
Now to the players what i know. His sg who shot 6/13 threes, has 21-16 js-jr with 19-21 handle/drive. He was defended by my sf, who has 2o-13 od/id with goog handle drives also. Now his pg who went 6/7 on 3s, as i remember when he was on tl he had around 18-15 js/jr. He was defended by my sg, who had 20/12 od/id with good handle/drive as well. In the end basically those 2 guys just torched my 20od guards. Also my sf was with 13 od and my sub for pg/sg with 16 or sth like that od if i remember correctly. Any ideas why things got that ugly ??

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318313.8 in reply to 318313.7
Date: 02/28/2023 08:14:10
Venomous Vicious Vipers
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Veni Vidi Vicious
It wasn't a man to man defense so you can't say his PG was defended by a single of your players. His players shot on whoever was defending each area of your zone.
Apparently his guards were quite strong on the outside while you chose the inside oriented defense. So you'd need probably more OD in the PG-SG-SF-PF positions to compensate.
I'm not a 2-3 specialist but I don't think it's OP and I guess you'll lose often against strong outside offenses (including a push the ball with outside oriented guards)

About this particular game, it's more the rebound difference that is surprising to me, cause I feel like you could have dominated a bit more.

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318313.9 in reply to 318313.8
Date: 02/28/2023 11:35:00
Tbilisi Mavericks
Umaglesi Liga
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Agree about rebounding, there are lot more strange things in that game. 2 through 5 positions i had 20 IS on all players and that was the outcome in the end. 16 IS vs his 12 ID and my fg % is worse than his. Insane. Also he wasnt defending like 2-3 to say that was the reason.
I also understand its not m2m, but his offense isnt motion, rng or even priceton to shoot 60% on 3s with that much volume. I understand his guards werent scrubs but neither were mine with 20 od, so what i can conclude is that 2-3 tactic update wasnt that helpful when defending outside shots. If he attacked from outside he was supposed to shoot 70% maybe?? Insane. I know its a single game and u cant draw general conclusion, but it definetely doesnt speak about updated 2-3 tactic.

Last edited by Nicolas at 02/28/2023 11:37:37

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318313.10 in reply to 318313.2
Date: 03/01/2023 03:23:18
chicago bulbs II
ESL
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I would like to know your opinion about 3-2 def. How would attack this kind of def? Push the ball with decent flow and a m2m could be a good setup?

Iceland u21 coach
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318313.11 in reply to 318313.10
Date: 03/01/2023 05:57:58
Isca Centurions
EBBL
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Dartmoor Pumas
I would like to know your opinion about 3-2 def. How would attack this kind of def? Push the ball with decent flow and a m2m could be a good setup?


3-2 boosts the outside defense, so it would usually limit the opponent's three point attempts and other parts of the offense that work from the perimeter.

Your own defensive tactic won't affect that, so if you normally use MM you could continue with that. I've heard mixed opinions on Push The Ball, some like it and some don't. I would say most teams tend to have players that favour certain offenses, so if PTB works well for your players normally then you could try it vs a 3-2.

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318313.12 in reply to 318313.11
Date: 03/01/2023 06:39:24
chicago bulbs II
ESL
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Thanks. I suppose 3-2 against a bad flow is a good tactic.
Maybe a specular 3-2 and PTB could be great. I think about my next games.

Iceland u21 coach
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318313.13 in reply to 318313.7
Date: 03/01/2023 10:21:56
Tampines Fusion
SBBL
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This is interesting. Would be great if we could gain access to the play by play - whether your opponents had a lot of open shots or were they guarded as well. That certainly is a weird result alright.

That said, I do recall (if my mempru serves me well) that there's a third party program that takes play by play commentary and breaks them down into data, I wonder if anyone knows about it? It would certainly help with analyzing such matches.

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318313.14 in reply to 318313.10
Date: 03/01/2023 10:32:33
Tampines Fusion
SBBL
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IMO it's highly dependent on player build. Based on what I know, 3-2 is most effective where you have high OD from 1-3 and high SB in the posts (because of increased help defenses). If your opponent has a team specifically built for it, there's not much you can do without having players with good enough skills to break their defense. Outside offenses will be shut down, balanced focus will still have your players matches against the best inside/outside defenders depending on where they shoot (it's particularly great at shutting down Patient), and if you run inside offenses, if your guard's DR or PA isn't high enough to break their perimeter defense, you can't pull off LI/LP.

On the other hand, if their player has a weak link (eg: lower OD at SF) then it's a potential weak link tjat can be exploited. But even then it's harder to exploit then if it was M2M, since unlike M2M, you won't know which attacker will be up against which defender.

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318313.15 in reply to 318313.14
Date: 03/01/2023 10:50:49
chicago bulbs II
ESL
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Very interesting, thanks. Let's see how my BBB game will go then.

Iceland u21 coach
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318313.16 in reply to 318313.13
Date: 03/01/2023 10:53:14
chicago bulbs II
ESL
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Yep, I have that program. I will post here the results of my next BBB game, whatever the results will be

Iceland u21 coach
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