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With the instruction to be train ID until I tell you to stop.

Is not the ID, 9RB is just asking for some sort of a treatment with no lube.

1) My team of BB Elites will staff the pipeline scouting team.

2a) No specific builds but builds that have the necessary skills. Not a great deal of variance for this age group to attain compared to NT.

2b) I don’t care where they’re from as long as they train and manage GS. Some of the best NT players I had were foreign owned.

3) Me.

Personally:
1) SB
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374) Everything else


For U21: It depends on the rest of the skills. I built some of our first SB bigs for U21 but also know they have to fit with the rest of the team and have others filling in the gaps if you have higher SB and a lower bigs skill.

Looks like I am going to have to change my vote

1) With every season that has come and gone where the u21 hasn't had the ultimate success, what can you take away from u21 winning teams that will aid you in creating a tweak or a change in philosophy when considering u21 players and how to build them?

2) Spain's approach is somewhat public knowledge, they have specific owners on specific scouting assignments that doesn't necessarily light up with specific age groups or types of players. Why do you think such an approach has worked for them, and what sort of pros and cons do you see to such a strategy? Do you feel as if the current system that the US u21 uses needs to be tweaked.

3) If you are elected, how do you foresee your working with the NT manager on players of significant potential (occasionally MVP's, and more commonly HoF potential players)? How often will you look towards filling out the ranks with mostly 8 potential players, and what is your anticipated amount of 7 potential players needed to round out the squad?

Interested to see how these are answered as i am reentering BB after an extended hiatus

Welcome back!

1) With every season that has come and gone where the u21 hasn't had the ultimate success, what can you take away from u21 winning teams that will aid you in creating a tweak or a change in philosophy when considering u21 players and how to build them?

We haven't won gold since S29, and the game has changed much since then so I will refer back to teams from S51 and S53 where we had some success making semis and finals, respectively. We have actually had some really good rosters, so I am not sure there necessarily needs to be a tweak on how to build the players. It is more along the lines of the variety of players at our disposal. We get a lot of similar builds, because some builds are easier to train than others even though those harder builds could potentially be very useful. I would like to emphasize getting some of those harder builds created so we are more flexible in season.

2) Spain's approach is somewhat public knowledge, they have specific owners on specific scouting assignments that doesn't necessarily light up with specific age groups or types of players. Why do you think such an approach has worked for them, and what sort of pros and cons do you see to such a strategy? Do you feel as if the current system that the US u21 uses needs to be tweaked.

I think they just have a highly dedicated, tight knit group. When you have a group of managers like that it is pretty easy to stay on top of things, and shoutout to them for it. They are able to keep everything in order and make sure their players are being built how they want, but could definitely fall apart if people start to fizzle away. We actually attempted to set up a scouting system not too long ago, where we had assigned certain managers to certain positions, but it fell apart pretty quickly. There honestly isn't much of a current system, and that is something I plan to focus on rebuilding.

3) If you are elected, how do you foresee your working with the NT manager on players of significant potential (occasionally MVP's, and more commonly HoF potential players)? How often will you look towards filling out the ranks with mostly 8 potential players, and what is your anticipated amount of 7 potential players needed to round out the squad?

I actually know Dubness quite well, and have been part of this process for quite a few seasons now. I know we will be able to continue pulling players for NT in an effective manner. I am fine with 8 potential guards/forwards, 8 potential is still plenty of room to make a very strong guard/forward for u21. Bigs are a little bit tricky, because if you spam primary skills on an 8 potential big, they will cap very early into their 21 y/o season, if not before that. So to prevent this from happening, we have been instructing managers to start by training a few secondaries to make them more well rounded and this has been working out well. 7 potential guards are tricky, because similar to 8 potential bigs you can cap them pretty early if you take certain skills too high, but you can definitely create some depth guards/forwards with 7 potential. 7 potential bigs are nonexistent nowadays as they cap way too quick.


Last edited by Antwon at 01/11/2022 21:03:22

Question to all candidates participating:


Seeing that we have almost constantly showed up with talent and enthusiasm for Worlds Competition seasons, and then also from prior experience seeing the lack of enthusiasm during American Continental Competitions, how can you get trainers and managers to focus on Americas seasons further; also not just for your term--setting a precedent for future coaches that they can build upon too.

It’s not a question that managers jump up and down for worlds seasons because it’s the mental feeling of triumph and smashing China Italy and all those guys but the drive and motivation should be attended to the Chiles and Argentinas of the world too; because you can’t get to worlds without beating Americas first and IMO we just botched a top tier U21 squad due to that attitude.

Question to all candidates participating:


Seeing that we have almost constantly showed up with talent and enthusiasm for Worlds Competition seasons, and then also from prior experience seeing the lack of enthusiasm during American Continental Competitions, how can you get trainers and managers to focus on Americas seasons further; also not just for your term--setting a precedent for future coaches that they can build upon too.

It’s not a question that managers jump up and down for worlds seasons because it’s the mental feeling of triumph and smashing China Italy and all those guys but the drive and motivation should be attended to the Chiles and Argentinas of the world too; because you can’t get to worlds without beating Americas first and IMO we just botched a top tier U21 squad due to that attitude.

You said it yourself, we can't get to Worlds unless we perform well in Americas. Americas is just as important as Worlds because Americas is what starts the journey to Worlds. If we don't perform in Americas, we don't even get the chance at the gold medal. It needs to be stressed that just because your player isn't playing in the World Championship game, does not mean they aren't part of the team that got there. They absolutely are, because they are what allowed us to even get to that point.

Argentina just made the Worlds semi-finals this past season, and Chile along with Peru and Brazil are usually always contenders. There wont be any "it's just Americas" attitude from me, these nations are no slouches and we need the players to defeat them.

1) With every season that has come and gone where the u21 hasn't had the ultimate success, what can you take away from u21 winning teams that will aid you in creating a tweak or a change in philosophy when considering u21 players and how to build them?

I'm sounding like a broken record, but it is a tremendous disservice to the U21 if we don't offer managers with TierB/C players who are a bit behind the curve at the age 19/20 marks an alternate route to the U21. The U21 is going to get to the Finals with our dominant, Tier A players, but if I can convince of handful of managers to switch their training regiments and give me a specialists, or a niche player than I am going to do it, because those players will win me a Gold medal. I want the end of my bench to be bigs with passing or ID/SB, actual true SGs who maybe doesn't have any secondaries or much passing, or an inside SF, which we have seemed to forget what that is the last 20 seasons.
I want those guys at the end of the bench so in the 10% of the time I need them, they deliver spectacularly.

2) Spain's approach is somewhat public knowledge, they have specific owners on specific scouting assignments that doesn't necessarily light up with specific age groups or types of players. Why do you think such an approach has worked for them, and what sort of pros and cons do you see to such a strategy? Do you feel as if the current system that the US u21 uses needs to be tweaked.

Spain's biggest resource is that they have the largest user base in BB. Italy is 2, and we are 3. No shock to see who the 3 best u21 teams are. And we are in 3rd by a bunch.

We need dedicated users, good tactical decisions, and some specialist builds that infiltrate and win against their best when we need them to. We need a manager who can overcome 33% more managers, resources, and players that Spain and Italy have.
I know I am that guy.

3) If you are elected, how do you foresee your working with the NT manager on players of significant potential (occasionally MVP's, and more commonly HoF potential players)? How often will you look towards filling out the ranks with mostly 8 potential players, and what is your anticipated amount of 7 potential players needed to round out the squad?

Interested to see how these are answered as i am reentering BB after an extended hiatus

Last season I was quick to jump on the fact that since we are out of Worlds after Poland, we should focus 100% on the HOF players to begin their NT training. That meant more of those seconaries they wouldn't have otherwise gotten. I believe it was 7 high level HOFers who got a 10 week head start with the NT coach.
Who knows if I wasn't the first to think it, but I was the first to verbalize it, so I win.
NT should always be in the background of HOF and some MVP manager's mind, but not at the expense of U21.

Last edited by oriolekid at 01/11/2022 22:46:42

I would like to think I could convince the average BB user to focus more on Americas, at least as much as Worlds but you, me, or anyone would be straight up lying to you if they said they could.

What we need is to train GS leading up to the SFs. It's just like Worlds Finals; if we aren't in 9GS then we are toast no matter who we play.

Last America SF we had 3 guards and wings in 9 GS. 3.
And we started Reuben Jones and his 6 IS at C in a LI. Those were two critical errors. We weren't playing to our strengths nor were we attacking Argentina's weakness. Yeah, his SB should be a difference maker in a 3-2, but he was -17 for the night.

GS has to be better. It limits our choices and if that happens then we may as well try again in two seasons.