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272116.8 in reply to 272116.4
Date: 8/6/2015 8:31:34 PM
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well i appreciate your interest in the u21.. but I did a lot fo planning and monitoring.. I just don't always post about it. I love your interest, it's too bad, that it wasn't used to help out in some capacity with the teams, I was always open to more help, didnt' see you make yourself available.

I already said in my speech that I would put even more effort in, as it would be my last time running for u21 pinoys.. so please refer to the speech before telling me to make more effort :)

remember, every time is different , people train harder or less for differnet years, we coaches are the by=product of hard work of managers, but when the training isn't there for some players, the results show and I feel although I didn't win the last two seasons, I was honest up front about the fact that we'd have a tough time doing so.. so I was always honest that although we probasbly wouldn't win.. I would always be emphasizing training behind the scenes. which I have.

its nice of you to attempt to start a discussion, but unfortunately I believe your points are not very reflective of what I had to deal with , and you fail to give me any credit for my efforts.. but I understand you are trying to win an election to your tactic is to put me down :)

I believe in the other approach, I believe we all have different skills and if you are wanting to help out, if I happen to be lucky enough to win the election , I would be happy to have you help.. but many have said they would help and haven't so.. ive always been good to my word as many of you know.. I was very honest about the last two years being tough..


good luck in the election.. as per usual, I do give my heart and soul, but I do a lot of the scouting and things without posting it.. just ilke I always allow people to give their opinions and help to the program, but if people aren't helping with that, it's not on me.. ive tried really hard to get many involved.. as many people know..

as per usual, I have shown my loyalty, hard work, eventhough I know running in this country is tough because im not a real pinoy.. but aagain as anyone who has given me a chance knows... one other pinoy was quoted as saying " coach morwood is a pinoy at heart.. just not in body form!!"


so I look forward to more discussion and points, but I do think that in the past elections, anyone who ran against me, said they wanted what was best for Pinoys, never tried to help when they lost the election, so means they don't really care, but when I lost an election, I did stay and help.. as promised.. so I have shown loyalty and hardwork..

peace

m not putting you down im just telling what happened in your last term. In your first term you did a great job, my point is the preparation for season 30 was not there and that was the result. You are a great coach, experience is your advantage but like what ive said you are not consistent. You failed to mold players, you failed to encourage and motivate the managers to train quality players. We need consistency.

Gullyfoyle, i disagree with your point that it be better if the next u21 must worked for the next 2 seasons, to enable to understand the intrnatal games, gullyfoyle this is not in real life basketball if this is real maybe i agree with you. thats why we have a gam manual here,about the mechanics of inter games. you are trying to say that i am only a filipino with no experience,your WRONG WITH THAT, 5 seasons is too much to understand this game, dont treat me as a nobody herei fully understand this game, if you want to ask questions, ask me its my pleasure, it will help me to promote my self and to boost my confidence.

Opticfibres, 1 of the job of nt coach is to mold players for future, its his job to encouraged and motivate managers to train quality plyers at young age, lets say coach morwood did that, so the blame is on the filipino managers?

Last edited by R. Espiritu at 8/6/2015 8:37:33 PM

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272116.9 in reply to 272116.3
Date: 8/6/2015 8:32:59 PM
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To Beast.

Don't criticize a coach who has won a silver in the Asians and a bronze in the worlds. It's not as easy as you think winning a bronze in the world championship. Even China who consistently wins Asian Gold wasn't able to get to the semis one season. That is how unpredictable the U21 championships is. He already has proven what he can do. You haven't. I'd rather you show us more what you can offer us rather than doing a negative campaign against a proven U21 manager. Good day.

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272116.12 in reply to 272116.11
Date: 8/6/2015 9:04:38 PM
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Not being biased against new blood wanting to run the U21 team. I just don't like it when they use negative campaign in trying to bring down a proven u21 manager. Morwood has been handling the u21 program more than 4 seasons already. For those who are newer he took over the u21 team when a previous u21 manager got banned and he was promoted to manager since he got the second highest during that u21 season.

Here is the reality of BB Pilipinas. Look at the number of users nowadays as compared to a few season ago. We can hardly get 800 nowadays, How many seasons do you need to mold a player? From 18 yo to 21 it takes 4 season. So you need to wait another 4 seasons for that same team to train another u21 player and there is no guarantee that team will train another u21 player since he wants to train his current u21 player more perhaps. Not everyone wants to train U21 players.

Compare our user base to user base of other countries like China for example. They can consistently churn out players every season for the U21 program with the number of teams training.

I'd like to see how a U21 manager can convince a team manager to follow his instructions when that team manager refuses to listen to sound advice, It's not assigning the blame to team managers but there are so many other factors to consider. Injuries and overplaying of a player resulting to bad game shape are most common. When a team manager nearing the finals needs his player which is a u21 member to play too many minutes in order to survive a relegation match can you really say to that manager no please don't play him to much coz I need him more?

Those are some of the realities facing the BB Pilipinas u21 manager nowadays.

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272116.13 in reply to 272116.12
Date: 8/6/2015 9:17:56 PM
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Kindly show us your concrete plan, The Beast.

For Morwood, kindly tell us what will you improve with the system that you are currently implementing.

Thanks.

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272116.14 in reply to 272116.11
Date: 8/6/2015 9:25:00 PM
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Here is a challenge to people who are running for U21 manager.

Make the chat during live games alive again. Seasons ago there used to be at least 10 to 30 managers hanging out in chat during games. From there plans were made to make our U21/NT teams better. Getting to know each other better helps a lot in making the community grow better. There were training campaigns targeted for a specific seasons so that players during that season would be very good. All came out from getting to know each other chatting during live games. Get the community alive again and you will see a huge difference in players being produced for sure.

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272116.15 in reply to 272116.12
Date: 8/6/2015 9:32:43 PM
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If you do the math you need 12 dedicated manager/players out of 18 every season to develop a good core. Four seasons is a conservative estimate on Lolo's part assuming that player is of low potential. If he is of high potential it usually takes an additional 3-4 seasons more to train a player up to his max.

I dont agree with everthing Lolo posts but he is 100% accurate in his assessment for u21. We are still in the period of transition. Most of Morwoods graduates are still training to make it to the Senior NT. In short, we have few managers willing to train. We need more guys to train their all star and up picks. Plus one for lolo. Congrats pala for making it to the PPL.

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272116.16 in reply to 272116.9
Date: 8/6/2015 9:36:18 PM
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I have so much respect for you lolo smithz isa ka sa mga manager dito na nirerespeto ng lahat. Napatunayan na ni morwood at wala na syang dapat patunayan pa, hindi pa ba sapat yon para ipasa nman sa iba ang paghawak ng dapat ay para sa atin nman? The way you speaks alam na kung sino ang iboboto mo.

This what i offer you at para sa mga pinoy managers,

1) Dedication- in real life im not busy, isa lamang po akong brgy kagawad sa aming maliit na brgy. iniidolo ako ng mga kabataan sa amin dahil ako ang coach ng basketball program sa aming brgy. Sa madaling salita hindi kumakain ng oras ang trabaho ko, mas mtutukan ko ang paghawak sa ating u21.

a) Upgraded Communication- kung ako ang papalarin hindi ko iaasa sa BB mail ang pkikipag usap sa manager, kung ayos sa kanila handa akong gumastos para matawagan o matext para mas ma monitor ko ang galaw ng ating prospects. Gagawin ko yan every training update.

b) Im your economist- Sa mga nasa lower leagues at mga baguhan dito sa buzzerbeater kapag my player kayo at mataas ang potensyal hindi lamang tayo sa training tutok, tutulungan ko rin kayo sa aspetong ekonomiya ng team nyo.

c)scouting- hindi ako ito ipapasa sa iba o sa assistants i prefer to do it in my own,

d) staff- im your coach im your assistant, i rather choose advisers than choosing assitants..but any help are welcome.

e) competitiveness- As a nt coach my job is to find and mold players na mgbbgay ng magndang laban sa pandaigdigang palaro.

Wala pa akong napapatunayan sa larong ito, mundo ko ang basketball at isa ito sa kumukumpleto sa buhay ko, KAYA HINIHINGI KO ANG SUPORTA NG MGA KAPWA KO PINOY. BIGYAN NYO AKO NG PAGKAKATAON NA HAWAKAN ANG PROGRAMANG ITO.


Idol kita Lolo smithz. Kaya hindi kita ipapahiya at ang mga kapwa ko manager dito.




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272116.17 in reply to 272116.7
Date: 8/6/2015 9:50:04 PM
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Ill post it the U21 pool in the right time, i already scouted 8 players but this is not the right time to answer your questions.

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272116.18 in reply to 272116.16
Date: 8/6/2015 9:56:29 PM
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If you know who I am in real life then you must be someone who has played this game before (I have a very small FB friends list). Why not say who you were before so to add to your credentials. Surely people will think twice who to vote for knowing who you really are. True Morwood has nothing more to prove and its time to give way to other players MAYBE but if we can't find a suitable candidate why should we give it to someone else? It's your call now whether you choose to reveal who you really are.

Sorry to say experience for me still is the key to who I vote for U21 manager as is to many of those who care for our U21 program. When Morwood first applied for the U21 program he lost but he stayed and helped that for me was dedication. And he earned the respect of people here for that also. You can call it his way for currying favor but actions speaks louder than words.

If you didn't do anything wrong before there is no shame in telling us all which team you handled before. Writing this in English for the benefit of Morwood.

Ps. Please edit out my real name.

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