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266169.67 in reply to 266169.66
Date: 2/5/2015 10:28:54 PM
Cassville Yuck
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I am not sure how it is you look at that box score and consider it an upset. Under estimated an opponent in a tactic unproven with minimal talent on the floor playing with less enthusiasm on the road. Nobody should be remotely shocked at the results.

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Date: 2/5/2015 10:45:37 PM
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Probably should have gone Low Post to get better usage out of the C, but still, his TWO POINT THREE MILLION DMI should have outright mummified the puny 78k DMI guy guarding him.

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Date: 2/5/2015 11:00:22 PM
Cassville Yuck
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You are clearly reading patient as a pump the ball into one guy repeatedly offense. It isn't. It settles for the first good shot, typically an outside based one or a jump shot. To put a big like that in that offense, might have been lucky to get 27 shots.

DMI is deceiving. 64k. Who knows what that 78k DMI build looks like.


Weekly salary: $ 11 952
Role: draws a paycheck
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DMI: 64200
Age: 26
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: starter
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: phenomenal Handling: prominent
Driving: proficient Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: inept Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: proficient

Experience: mediocre

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Date: 2/5/2015 11:33:59 PM
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I've seen Patient put the ball in one guy's hands repeatedly in the past. Maybe in those cases there was really only one good option on the floor.
But yeah, Patient may have not been the best choice to maximize Wakatsuki's skills.
DMI can be deceiving, I agree, but not when it's 29 times greater than the other guy's and you're playing close to your position of strength.

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Date: 2/6/2015 1:04:04 AM
Cassville Yuck
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DMI can be deceiving, I agree, but not when it's 29 times greater than the other guy's and you're playing close to your position of strength.


This is where I disagree. DMI is typically weighted toward offense. Fantastic defenders can be hidden. The game ratings of the game tell the whole story. Nobody including the ousted should be surprised.

From: Alec Burke

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266169.72 in reply to 266169.67
Date: 2/6/2015 1:09:04 AM
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And really, not just less enthusiasm, but close to half. Doug Fir appears to have gone TIE all season (unless someone did a CT against him) while the Warriors have been going Normal all season (EVO is on default, so that's a Nor/Nor game, and comments here indicate so was the Warriors/Rabbits game). Add in his HCA, and he's got a lot going for him before the game even starts.

The fact that Fir went 37-89 (and 17-36 from 3pt land) also indicates just how outmatched Leary and Anderson were in the backcourt. So sure, the Warriors had a huge advantage at center, but Fir had a pretty large one at the guards. And then Fir played an offense which focused on that, while Warriors played one which doesn't actually focus on the center.

Obviously it's disappointing for a DII team to be knocked out of the cup this early, but when a DII team concentrates so much on the league games, I think it isn't a bad thing that they can be beaten by a lower division team who puts more focus and effort into the cup games.

And the Warriors are still sitting in the driver's seat for the Great 8, having already gotten victories over the two 3-1 teams.

Last edited by Alec Burke at 2/6/2015 9:59:07 AM

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266169.73 in reply to 266169.72
Date: 2/6/2015 2:44:17 AM
Cassville Yuck
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Good points all over the place.

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Date: 2/6/2015 12:11:24 PM
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Good points all over the place.


Yep. You guys have convinced me to change my position on this subject.

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Date: 2/6/2015 12:33:46 PM
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Good points all over the place.


Yep. You guys have convinced me to change my position on this subject.


I think the important thing here is that we all agree the only prudent thing to do in the Blue Conference is to run at the salary floor and make mad money this season since we've got one team actively looking to go down, one team that's now already a bot and another team that is starting to look like they'll turn bot. The odds are good that the only team that is active and not wanting to demote that still will is whoever finishes 8th in the Red Conference.

As far as the actual game, yeah, patient looks for the best "mismatch" but focuses on jumpers and perimeter shots, with less emphasis on driving and very little emphasis on actual inside shots (unless, of course, you have an outside shooter at C against a big man in a man to man offense, at which point all he wants to do is shoot inside shots, not that I'm bitter or anything). Combine that with the defense not being good enough compared to the opponent's offense, and the deficiency in ball handling (1:1 Assist:TO ratio), it's not that much of a surprise that it turned out like that.


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Date: 2/6/2015 2:13:25 PM
Beware of Dogs
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Maybe hrudey can help shed some light on this but I remember reading a while back about an aspect of help defense in the BB GE (sorry I can't seem to find the post now). Assuming my memory is correct, having one dominant player in the lineup only helps the GE picks out who to help. Though my data is very limited, I've seen some aspect of that before. Anyone experienced something similar?

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Date: 2/6/2015 2:23:34 PM
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Maybe hrudey can help shed some light on this but I remember reading a while back about an aspect of help defense in the BB GE (sorry I can't seem to find the post now). Assuming my memory is correct, having one dominant player in the lineup only helps the GE picks out who to help. Though my data is very limited, I've seen some aspect of that before. Anyone experienced something similar?


I don't remember reading anything on those lines. I remember hearing second-hand about shotblocking possibly being the skill that governs help defense, but that's really all (and I don't remember where that post was). I think there was a thread with BB-Charles at some point where this stuff might be, but that's all way before my time here unfortunately.

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