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191379.6 in reply to 191379.5
Date: 7/28/2011 5:30:04 PM
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Ive decided that i will write my messages in English, and in Indonesian too

No, i havent been a head coach, but I have a friend (Hukli, we were classmates), who was the Hungarian head coach for 4 seasons, and i helped him, so i know how to manage a national team. The most important is to scout the best players, and trie to keep them training, possibly in Indonesia. That would be the first thing that i want to do. Scout, and communicate.

Indonesian:

Tidak, saya havent menjadi pelatih kepala, tapi aku punya teman (Hukli, kami teman sekelas), yang merupakan pelatih kepala Hungaria untuk 4 musim, dan saya membantunya, jadi saya tahu bagaimana mengelola sebuah tim nasional. Yang paling penting adalah untuk pramuka pemain terbaik, dan trie untuk menjaga mereka pelatihan, mungkin di Indonesia. Itu akan menjadi hal pertama yang saya ingin lakukan. Pramuka, dan berkomunikasi.

(sorry for my bad indonesian, i used an online translator)

(Maaf untuk Indonesia saya buruk, saya menggunakan online translator)


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191379.8 in reply to 191379.7
Date: 7/29/2011 8:15:02 AM
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As i mentioned, the most important is to scout the best players, and keep tham home. For the "old" generation, over 27 years, the most important is the game shape, and if it is possible, multi training (the low skills, for example stamina, handling for a center etc.).

In Hungary, we have a great programme for the 18 years old players, called Base-programme.

That means, we have a topic in the forum, a programme leader (usually the u21 or NT coacj). He gives the requirements for the managers. For example minimum superior trainer, and 500k $ cash. After that, every manager who want to buy a 18 years old homeplayer, can register. They have to write how much money do they have, which position want they buy (PF, PG, C etc.).

The leader write a list, and after the draft try to give every registered manager a player (before that he contact the manager, who drafted a good player).


That is a very good programme for the u21, and for the NT too, in Hungary it works very well.


Now, iam training an indonesian SG (22 year old MVP, former u21 player), he will be a great monster. But in the new training system, it will be easier to train a multiskill player.


Indonesian (still with translator, sorry if it is not too good):

Sebagai i disebutkan, yang paling penting adalah untuk pramuka pemain terbaik, dan menjaga rumah tham. Untuk generasi "tua", lebih dari 27 tahun, yang paling penting adalah bentuk permainan, dan jika mungkin, pelatihan multi (keterampilan rendah, untuk stamina misalnya, penanganan untuk pusat dll). Di Hongaria, kami memiliki program besar untuk 18 tahun pemain tua, yang disebut Base-program. Itu berarti, kami memiliki topik di forum, pemimpin program (biasanya U21 atau NT coacj). Dia memberikan persyaratan untuk manajer. Misalnya pelatih superial minimum, dan 500k $ tunai. Setelah itu, setiap manajer yang ingin membeli homeplayer 18 tahun, dapat mendaftar. Mereka harus menulis berapa banyak uang yang mereka miliki, yang posisi ingin mereka membeli (PF, PG, C dll). Pemimpin menulis daftar, dan setelah draft mencoba untuk memberikan setiap manajer pemain yang terdaftar (sebelum itu ia menghubungi manajer, yang merancang pemain yang baik). Itu adalah program yang sangat baik untuk U21, dan untuk PB juga, di Hongaria bekerja sangat baik.

Sekarang, pelatihan iam SG bahasa indonesia (MVP berumur 22 tahun, mantan pemain U21), ia akan menjadi rakasa besar. Tetapi dalam sistem pelatihan baru, akan lebih mudah untuk melatih pemain multiskill.

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191379.9 in reply to 191379.8
Date: 7/29/2011 3:53:47 PM
ASD basket Supino
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GL to all for the elections ;)
For the winnerd there's a database.Talk with Benny there are all plaayers ,also the over 21's that are not in NT.
A question
The big problem of NT are SF.
What's your ideal SF?

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191379.10 in reply to 191379.9
Date: 7/30/2011 1:26:07 AM
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That depends on tactic. Its hard to find an SF with good insinde and outside skills. Therefore if I want to attack inside i will use an SF with high inside skills, and high outside def, and if i want to attack outside, i would use a SF with high outside skills and inside def. Thats my ideal

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191379.11 in reply to 191379.10
Date: 7/30/2011 7:02:40 AM
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Just a simple question for the candidates of Indo NT coach:

- Any opinion bout strength and weakness other than SF of Indo NT? how are u going to use or overcome it?

I read before that Indo has problem with SF, what are u gonna do if (only if) there's no SF with high skill in both OD and ID (or in OS and IS)?

All the best to all candidates!

Cheerz!
Happy BB!



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191379.12 in reply to 191379.11
Date: 7/30/2011 8:27:48 AM
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Hi,excuse me i am on job trip,and for 5 days more i cant get in.

First of all i was on lubnan,NT manager.

1)I I will try to speak on indonesian and on this i am gonna need your help.I am active 4+ hours per day so for me it s not a problem,to comunicate with the managers,and to go further from this dificulties.

2)In lubnan I do my best,go check the roster of seasons 11-13 if you dont believe me.It was very good this"trip"with lubnan NT.In this two seasons I will try to the best.It difficult,my first goal is to improve the current squad,and also to invest on drafts,so as to create a team for the future with more stars.We will see the progress of each players and we will give to the users a schedule training.As for the asian cup,we will try to pass on the fisrt qualification and then we will see.

3)From the day i choose indonesia,I have around 70 players that I have in my agent(if i remeber the correct number)so i will call everyone,to see their skills and then i will communicate with the users so as to see what they are going to be available(some things like training,game shape will help a lot the team)

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191379.13 in reply to 191379.12
Date: 7/30/2011 8:32:39 AM
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For me the most importn thing in NT is the Game Shape,if you have the best players of the world,with terrible game shape you cant do something.SF is a big problem all over BB.Its the most difficult position.I prefer sf to be "completed".So of course we must to impove the players in this position a lot...

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191379.14 in reply to 191379.11
Date: 7/30/2011 8:35:09 AM
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Hi,this is a good question! :)

If we havent sf,we can play with sf,and pf on position 3.That s of course depents about the skill that our players have,the demans of the opponets,and of course what tactic are we going to do...thats all

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191379.15 in reply to 191379.12
Date: 7/30/2011 10:50:14 AM
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Hi,excuse me i am on job trip,and for 5 days more i cant get in.


before i read your next message, i've already sensed a bad signal.

If you're selected, the first season is going to be your busiest moment. I can understand for job trip or any other activitites, but right now you are candidating yourself. If you are selected, you are going to handle a nation that will serve HCA on next Asian Tournament. We are expecting for a best result and you're now about to spoiled your chance of being selected.

If I were on your shoes, I rather not candidate myself in if i am about to go AWOL when there's an important match. You'll never know when a player getting injured, and you might need to hire another replacement to NT.

I'm sorry for this tough comments, but yeah, this is the Debate. As a part of Indonesian Nation, of course we want our NT candidate to do their best for our Nation.

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191379.16 in reply to 191379.11
Date: 7/30/2011 11:12:09 AM
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I wrote thats my ideal I now i could not use this (well), cuz i think indonesia havent got a good inside and a good outside SF (in national team level). Btw, i havent seen the database, cuz i think its not fair too see all your home players as a candidate. If i would be elected, in the first few days i would check the database, would see all the players, and after that i can say anything about the SF problem.


Now 2 things:

-I hope, indonesia has 1-2 good SF youngsters, and with good training they would be good SF-s. (I hope the indonesian managers will be active, and keep home your best players, i will do everything for that)

But thats about the future.

-The most important is to have a great Asia Tournament at home. For that i would use the best players in the NT, the most of them are over 24-25 years, so its hard to train them. So in SF position, i would use the best players for the tactic. I wont play just inside attack or just outside. I think tactical skills are my bests Scout your opponent, know everything about his team, know everything about Indonesia's team, and after that use the best tactic. In my eye SF is a bonus position. 2 outside player in guards, 2 inside player in C and PF, and u could use the best SF for the tactic: inside or outside.


Indonesian (still with translator, sorry for that):

Saya menulis thats ideal saya:) saya sekarang saya tidak bisa menggunakan ini (baik), cuz i havent pikir Indonesia punya di dalam baik dan baik di luar SF (di tingkat tim nasional). Btw, i havent dilihat database, cuz i pikir tidak adil terlalu melihat semua rumah Anda pemain sebagai kandidat. Jika saya akan terpilih, dalam beberapa hari pertama saya akan memeriksa database, akan melihat semua pemain, dan setelah itu saya dapat mengatakan apapun tentang masalah SF. Sekarang 2 hal:-Saya berharap, Indonesia memiliki 1-2 anak-anak yang baik SF, dan dengan pelatihan yang baik mereka akan baik SF-s. (Saya berharap manajer bahasa indonesia akan aktif, dan menjaga rumah pemain terbaik anda, saya akan melakukan segalanya untuk itu)

Tapi thats tentang masa depan. -Yang paling penting adalah memiliki Turnamen di Asia yang besar di rumah. Untuk itu saya akan menggunakan pemain terbaik dalam PB, sebagian besar dari mereka lebih dari 24-25 tahun, sehingga sulit untuk melatih mereka. Jadi dalam posisi SF, saya akan menggunakan pemain terbaik untuk taktik. I wont bermain hanya di dalam atau di luar serangan. Saya pikir ketrampilan taktis bests saya:) Pramuka lawan, tahu segalanya tentang timnya, mengetahui segala sesuatu tentang tim Indonesia, dan setelah itu menggunakan taktik terbaik. Di mata saya SF adalah posisi bonus. 2 pemain di luar penjaga, 2 pemain di dalam C dan PF, dan u bisa menggunakan SF terbaik untuk taktik: di dalam atau di luar.

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