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I think the point is, that you can argue both ways on this one, its merely a difference of opinion. I see the appeals system as being in place to remove obvious howlers, not decisions that could really go either way, and I don't see this one as being overturnable really.

I can assure everyone that I don't sit down in front of the viewer and watch the entire match as it unfolds. I look at the box score. In close matches I usually look at the last few minutes of the play by play. If something important like an ejection or injury happened I will look at that. Then I make my decisions. Probably 10 minutes a match maximum. If anyone is prepared to spend longer then let me know. I agree with tremell and mllama, the appeals will give everyone a chance to overturn in a fair and friendly way really bad decisions we make becuase we missed something obvious, but they are not for splitting hairs one guy had 7 rebounds 6 assists and the other 6 rebounds and 7 assists we will not be changing anything.

agreed

Allright here comes my second appeal this season as I feel the MVP voting is completely wrong in my game. Here is the match report as it stands:

Monkey Business vs. Chelsea Seagulls 98 - 78

3 Yakir Elbaz Monkey Business 28 PTS 9 REB. There was a shootout between the SFs in this match and while the scores were even Yakir came away with the victory.

2 Rober Forbes Chelsea Seagulls 28 PTS 6 REB. While normal stars Oliver (2-14) and Jared (3-14) couldn't buy a basket Rober was the one effective Seagull. He was interviewed after the game but no-one could understand what he was saying.

1 Zoltán Bui Monkey Business 18 PTS 13.5 rating. With Monkey Business having their trademark "everyone performs at about the same level" (TM) results Bui stands out purely due to a few extra points and a fair FG%.

The reason I believe it is inaccurate is because it is a blowout. The game was done by the 3rd and my bench played his starters in the 4th. Hence, I believe stats should be looked at at the end of 3rd quarter rather than the stats at the end of the game. Here is what I believe is wrong with it:

3 points: Yakir Elbaz played a majority of the game with 46 minutes. Despite the shootout in the 4th, He was only on 13 points at the end of the 3rd. I don't believe he is worthy on all 3 points.

2 points:Rober Forbes. Forbes scored 15 points in the 4th quarter against my scrubs. My backup SG (deltell) was marking him at SF in a M2M defense in the 4th. You can't be valuable in garbage time no matter what stats you put up against scrubs.

1 point: Zoltán Bui. Clearly the best player at the end of the 3rd quarter. The fact that it was a blowout means he only played 31 minutes for the game as he wasn't needed in the 4th.

Therefore, I believe that Bui should get 3 points, Elbaz get 2 and Forbes get 1 for a consolation prize.

Anyone agree?

Ok before i even looked at the results i was reading this and thought yep you've put up a fair case, but then i looked

Firstly yes it was a blowout, but the Seagulls still had their best players on, so for the case of Bui and Elbaz its not like Elbaz was against rubbish in the 4th, it was up against the same players as the first 3 quarters so the fact he did well in the 4th doesn't exactly put any negative on him. Bui only had 5 extra points at 3/4 time anyway, not exactly massive considering he had less rebounds, less steals, more fouls and turnovers, the few more points and some more assists isn't exactly a stand out over Elbaz. Realistically neither was a standout above the other, it is just nit picking so I'm gonna deny this as frankly appeals arnt designed for this and its being a little disrespectful to the voter if its not super obvious that they rooted up...


I will however give you the Forbes down to number 1 part, with Elbaz and Bui being so close for 3 i don't think a team who had a blowout can get a player into 2 votes, unless he scores half the teams score and was the only reason their was a game at all if a team gets beaten by that much i cant see how they can have a top 2 player. Having said that its also opinion, i know yoda and with his school teacher experience he has a much more 'everyones a winner' mentality! then me So as chief little Indian I'm gonna say


3 - Elbaz
2 - Bui
1 - Forbes


As for whether you won the appeal or not I'm not sure as you appealed 2 things and went 50/50 so i dunno what Yoda and the gang thinks but seeing as its your second appeal and your obviously not very appreciative of the effort the voters put in that you should be happy with half a win and settle for not get another chance to appeal.


Yeah that's right, look at the bad little kitty getting all mean and stuff now!

If it were an appeal in a court, you've allowed his appeal, so he's been successful - the fact that you only allowed one of the grounds of appeal doesn't really matter, I think. To me, he gets another shot at the appeal... the fact that he's 2/2 doesn't mean he's unappreciative!

Guppies sticking together so it means little. We had not noticed before how sticky the Guppies are, or how smelly. We would ball C-Cat's brilliant verdict but "You cannot rate posts by the same person more than once every 12 hours", there is no such thing as too harsh in a judge, they should inspire fear and terror in all and everyone that appears before one should feel that he could end up being stoned to death in public. It is the only way for justice to work. FEAR!

We think Pashang deserves MVP votes for holding Smelts to 17 points, that is an biggest achievement but if he did not get it, ins'allah.

Last edited by Xerxes at 4/3/2011 2:53:18 AM

Lol well not really...

If this were an appeal in a court he would have got nothing, He appealed that Bui gets the 3 votes and the other 2 move down a spot each. That did not happen so technically he was unsuccessful. I however did agree with 1 point (not his case) so i change it anyway despite it not actually being what he appealed. I would assume a judge wouldn't do that and he'd need to start another separate appeal for that if it were a court.

It was actually 1 general appeal that the MVPs were "wrong". I gave my own suggestions on what I felt was "correct". The fact that you agreed with some of my points and not others does not make it an failed bid overall. At the end of the day. the appeal was succesful (or part thereof) given that the MVP points were re-allocated.

As you correctly said, Elbaz and Bui are extremely close to eachother. It would be silly to of course appeal against your own players. It was more just pointed out that I don't necessarily agree with it but would be good to have a look at again My main biff against the MVP was Forbes getting 2 points for scoring more than half his points against scrubs . I respect your decision but to penalise a team for "appealing" against your own team is kinda pointless.

Either way I am not fussed. 2 more rounds left anyway and chances are I won't appeal again this season.

Great work C-Cat fast and efficient as always. Well done on another case successfully dealt with. I will fix up the standings now. Case closed.

2 more rounds left anyway and chances are I won't appeal again this season

Nah!

When you appeal a case, you appeal on multiple grounds. Even if only one ground of, say, 15 gets up, then your appeal is, at least partially, upheld.. He appealed on the grounds that Bui should have got more votes, and he won on that. I'd say he was more successful than unsuccessful!