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Garnett demands defense, he's a leader, no matter how much I dislike him, he can lead. Garnett made a team better defensively.

Howard is a joker. He's not a leader, he won't demand a team to step up. He's a good individual defender, but team captain material? Demanding better from his teammates? He's not known for that.

your opinion... they upgraded 2 of their position with a pretty good prospect in fields... they could always pick up old C like the 2 o'neals for chips with the bait of a possible ring.

Contender or Playoff team?

There's a difference. Contenders need to play defense. No defense, you can't win a championship.

Going back to felton being average and made to look good by the system. This is the case with nearly every player in D'Antoni's system. That said Felton put up very nice numbers in Charlotte and that's why the Knicks chased him. He is a solid ball handler with court vision who has very good ass/to numbers.

He's not Steve Nash or Chris Paul but he's decent.


I still maintain the Knicks won't win anything with Melo and Amare and the rest of the scrubs they have. Even if Phil Jackson was the coach. Over time they may acquire some more pieces but i think they are no chance of a title for at least 4 years and it the NBA bring in a hard cap in this CBA they are screwed.

if phil jackson is the coach, he wouldnt have gone after Amare... would have gone after someone like lebron giving the history of him succeeding with 1 great slashing type of player like jordan and kobe.

oh well, only time will tell about knicks...

and Iwen, dont call howard a joker :p he is a beast!

Of course he's a beast... but he's a joker! It's hard to take him seriously..

If Lebron played in the triangle he'd average 25/5/5 and people would still call him a god.. even though that's what Kobe averages.

Interesting stuff here.

Jordan:

1072 career games
41,001 career minutes
24,537 FGA
1,778 3PTA
581 3pt shot made..

Kobe:

1078 career games
39,316 career minutes
20,841 FGA
4,046 3PTA
1,377 3PT made.

Jordan took 4,000 more shots in the same number of games over his career. That's insane... and people call Kobe a ballhog =P

Last edited by iwen at 2/23/2011 1:16:04 AM

they are quality looks ;) most of them dunks while kobe just pulls up even when the double team is coming.

Well theres a reason why they call Kobe a ball hog... sometimes he goes into a sook mode and just shoots the team to death or he doesn't shoot at all.. Jordan never did that.

Remember the year when the Lakers had payton, kobe, malone and shaq and got smashed by the pistons? Kobe chucked a sook and refused to shoot in the 4th quarter.

Also there are many times when kobe chucks a sook and refuses to trust his team mates and just shoots the team to death. Notice many games where when kobe scores a ton, the lakers lose a ton as well? this happened many times even when they had gasol and the superstar lineup they had.

I'm not trying to bag out kobe here, but putting him next to jordan may seem like I'm bagging him out =P hahahah
Jordan is simply that good =P

and the consensus about the knicks/denver trade is that the knicks lost way too much to acquire carmelo... like i said, they tanked 10 seasons already, why not wait another 4 months LOL. I guess this years playoffs will bring in a lot of moolah for owner Dolan. He cares more about the business side of things in regards to making money then winning championships. he will sell more carmelo jerseys then the jerseys of all those players he gave away.

A massive factor in that with Jordan was his early years. I bet if you break those shots down between his early years and championship years he would have taken less shots in the championship era. That was the beaty of what Jackson did as a coach. He was able to help MJ make his teammates better and understand that they would never live up to his expectations of what they should play like.

Kobe has only shown signs of that in the last couple of years.

If you want a great read buy "The Jordan Rules" by Sam Smith. He was the beat writer for the Bulls and basically wrote a behind the scenes book on one of their championship years. (i think the 2nd one from memory) AS lot of interesting stuff in there about how bad a team mate MJ was at different times.

Just in on the ESPN website :
Nets get Deron Williams
Jazz get Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, 2 first rounders and the now mandatory it seems $3 mil

The Nets claim it wasn't a desperation trade after missing out on Melo, but giving up Favors and 2 first rounders is selling out your future, especially when there isn't all that much to put around Williams at the moment.

And so the Jazz enter rebuilding mode?????

Awesome trade for the Nets in my book. Top 5 PG in the league. Will play D and is young enough to contribute for a long time. NJ still have a 1st rounder and Deron is a massive upgrade over Harris (and trust me as a Wisconsin fan i love Harris).

The must be more to come for Utah. They now have Jefferson, Milsap, Kirralenko and Favours who pretty much all play PF. Maybe Orlando will come knocking for one of them?

How can it be awesome for the Nets???? They now have Williams, Lopez and ...... Kris Humphries?????? The Nets will be lucky to win 5 more games the rest of the season they will be that bad. Mr Russian must be banking on free agency in the off-season otherwise the Nets will only win about 10 games next season and Williams will be looking to get out.

Utah on the other hand are in a great position, draft picks galore and with the 4 players you have listed they can trade one and shape their roster however they want ... probably package Kirralenko and a 1st rounder for a PG.

LOL thats awesome news for Phoenix Suns.. they will slot straight into the playoffs with denver and utah rebuilding =P

Western Conference
Team GB
1. * San Antonio --
2. Dallas 6.0
3. * LA Lakers 8.0
4. * Oklahoma City 9.5
5. Portland 14.0
6. New Orleans 14.0
7. Denver 14.0
8. Utah 15.5
9. Memphis 16.0
10. Phoenix 18.0
11. Houston 20.0
12. Golden State 20.0
13. LA Clippers 25.5
14. Sacramento 32.0
15. Minnesota 33.5