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I would disagree with them but you cannot dispute that they were able to convince millions of the correctness of their cause. Just because we aren't convinced doesn't make them wrong, it makes them wrong to us.

I disagree with that. If there are objective moral values, then our subjective view of their actions isn't relevant as they would be "wrong" under the objective morals. i.e. Do not murder.

There are objective moral rules that have been all very clearly revealed to us. Word by word. It is perfectly clear. There can be no debate. All you have to do to learn them is read the Quran.

And when I retort with "Prove that the Quran is true." you will be unable to meet my request. Not that I am saying the Quran is not true, or that the principles in it are not good principles, I am simply saying that you must be able to prove it is true for there to be a claim to objective moral rules.

Xerxes is it true that the Quran said one day the Earth's will orbit will steer right into the Sun ans everyone on the planet will be melted like ice?

When a Muslim told me that I told him that, the Earths orbit doesn't change much, it orbits are determined by the Suns and Earths gravitational pull... and its been like that for the 4 billion or so years. Scientists has said one day in the distant future say.. 6 billion years when our Sun has used up all its hydrogen fuel, the Sun would expand and in turn gobble up Mercury and Venus. Earth would still remain in orbit but its surface would like scorched like the current surface of Mercury and Venus. Soon after the Sun would implode and blow up as a supernova. The Earth in turn would be incinerated by the explosion and would cease to exist... the star dust will settle and be the building blocks for new stars and planets.

I think I lost that Muslim after I said orbit.. and gravitation... it was very apparent to be he had very little understanding of astronomy, he didn't even know the planets and what order or size they are. All he knew was that the Earth will orbit right into the Sun one day... but didnt know how.. didnt care how..

for those that where following the convo on chat last week about rebounding being expensive on guards.

the 100k guard i was talking about has 40k of his salary solely being spent on taking his rebounding from lv 1 to lv 7 .

the 40 k could be spent in many other areas on other players much more effectively as most guards will only grab a small number of rebounds due to how the game engine runs and well how basketball is played.
so really your paying 40k extra for a chance to get an extra 5-6 rebounds that you may have got anyway.

just on this player the 40 k could be spent on

3 extra lv's of od or
18 extra lv's of driving and handling ( 9 on each) 0r
10 extra lv's of passing (at which point he will change to a pg)
unlimited lv's of inside shot ( limted by potential yes , but never payed for in salary :) )
or a bunch of other skill ups (think the above got my point across)

there just examples on one player whose salary goes from 60k roughly to 100k roughly for a few levels of rebounding.

Technically, the Earth could collide with the Sun in the event that a large enough asteroid collided with the Earth causing the Earth's current orbit to become unfixed and consequently the Earth would swirl into and collide with the sun.

No Idea about that but Wazza's rebouding is on level 9 and hes earning 95k atm

are you saying if he has level 1 rebounding he would earn 55k instead?
Wazza has decent guard skills as well... so he can be considered a guard if his reb was at level 1.

How did you work out that the salary accountable by the rebounding was 40k?

out of these three which would you prefer ( as they all cost basically the same)

1 , jump shot - phenomenal jump range - prolific
outside def - marvelous handling - prominent
driving - prominent passing - strong
inside shot - respectable inside def - respectable
rebounding - respectable shot blocking - respectable

salary = 101 k

2 , jump shot - phenomenal jump range - prolific
outside def - prodigious handling - sensational
driving - sensational passing - prominent
inside shot - tremendous inside def - marvelous
rebounding - atrocious shot blocking -proficient

salary = 102k

3 , jump shot - phenomenal jump range - tremendous
outside def - marvelous handling - wondrous
driving - wondrous passing - wondrous
inside shot - respectable inside def - respectable
rebounding -atrocious shot blocking - respectable

salary = 101k

4 ( go a little more extreme)

jump shot - phenomenal jump range - prolific
outside def - marvelous handling - prominent
driving - prominent passing - stupendous
inside shot - legendary inside def - marvelous
rebounding -atrocious shot blocking - respectable

salary = 102 k (and he becomes a pf )


so who would honestly take player 1 ?


edit : my mistake on player 4 now fixed , but notice that if he had respectable rebouding his salary was increased by 90k


Last edited by zyler at 5/17/2011 5:34:30 AM

There is no way player 4 would be 102k in salary.

it is.

check it yourself with a salary calc.