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Date: 3/7/2013 5:39:34 AM
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Actually I disagree about this. All players that were selected onto the roster in the past were all starter worthy because they all have a close skill set. But how does one get a starter role and not a bench role? Well you can't just base off skills because there's a thing called gameshape. That's the motivation to play a match, good gameshape with already good skills. Trust me, a lot of managers suck at this.

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Date: 3/7/2013 5:43:04 AM
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lol ur managers suk @ game shape try running barbados :P

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Date: 3/7/2013 5:59:28 AM
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Wang as a national player? Not in my books this season, maybe at the end of the season if he was trained more. But then again I'm not the national coach very soon... ;)

From: Mr J

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Date: 3/7/2013 6:05:18 AM
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I have to agree and disagree with the Big Fish. I have to agree with his appraisal of the speeches so far; I'm finding it difficult to choose at this point. I have to disagree with the Big Fish re the Wang. Forget your Willies and Wangs, Dogan will eventually be your man. Sure, he's only 24 but the next NT Mangaer needs to start preparing for him. :-)

Seriously though, I pride myself on maintaining Prof GS so I strongly agree with Whitebeard and the importance of maintaining Proficient GS. Just ask Rob how it can change the game and change your season.

For the candidates I ask this:

The past two managers (that I have witnessed) in Mr Wolf and whitebeard, have shown that they are both competent managers (with great success at ABBL level) and as NT managaers. Do you feel that because you have not managed at the top level that you will be at a disadvantage? IF so, how? IF not, why not?



From: RabidCamel

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Further to Matty8's question - Why is it that you have not achieved that top level? I know myself that despite being around continuously since season 7, with stays in Div II (prior to my dropping to Div IV to train a national player up), I am not up to the task of being the NT manager. Since you guys have achieved similar (or, in some cases, less) success than someone like myself - why are you qualified to run the national team, having not made the top league?

That sounded harsher than I intended - I assure you, I mean no disrespect, and I think you're all better managers than me :)

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Date: 3/7/2013 6:16:16 AM
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i know PA is still way 2 low but he is still getting trained this season & u know me as long as he keeps popping ill keep on training

xie is getting training this week (stuff up actually but whatever) & he is 33 lol

@ candidates

will u have some plan 2 contact managers of "maybe 1 day nt players" like me & give us some advice 2 train our guys?

no offence 2 wb & dire but i have had maybe 1-2 messages & maybe i would have done better with more

From: Brooksy

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Date: 3/7/2013 6:24:01 AM
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I don't think that not making the abbl is a big disadvantage I've manage to have succes with the team I have in my short season I promoted to div 2 in only my 3rd real season with the team after picking this team up in a relegation series in div 4 my first season. I managed to make playoffs in my first seaon of div 2 but in doing that wasn't making any really money and knew that I wouldn't ever have enough money to challenge for a title which is why I demoted.

Also I know about how much enthusiasm and game shape has as a factor in the game. Sure I've never owned a team full of top line players with those sort of skills but I have owned top line teams with skills good for what ever division I am in. Meaning I know what does what to help in the GE.

I've also learnt a lot from following forums that have some of the top managers in then and seeing what they say about the game and are in federations that have shown me a lot of knowledge about tactics and game engine.


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Date: 3/7/2013 6:30:09 AM
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I would like to think all coaches would be keen for their player to be the best in the world. But when it comes to training many things need to be looked at for each team. When a player is ready to make the NT side their salary is very large. So this could help coaches to think they should stop training to keep their finance in order. Also they may have a younger player who will pop more often they wish to train. Or they may want to train skills different to the NT level player needs. Anything the NT coach can do help make the NT side players better needs to be considered. I am only going off Whitebeard's experience with guys limiting or stopping training for guys once they make the NT squad.

I would like to include more younger players and sent Whitebeard a message about this before it was raised in this thread.

From: Mickyster

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237226.56 in reply to 237226.51
Date: 3/7/2013 6:39:23 AM
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Matty and others who have asked about success with our own clubs.

I pointed out if Whitebeard was running I would not be. I waited till I saw none of those I consider best suited to be NT coach were willing to be were not running before finally deciding to put my hand up.

The biggest problem with my own club has been my desire to well in each and ever game which has resulted in me not building a huge bank balance and doing everything I can each season to try and win the league. It has taken me sometime to do some things with a more long term focus. Even last season I sold my best players when I saw I was unlikely to win league but then went and got some new ones I saw for sale and gave it a shot anyway. My focus was on training my Gs over the next few season. But instead of tanking and banking heaps of cash I found a 200k C I added to my team. My weakness has been my desire to win each and every game.

With the NT the resources are greater with lots of teams to train players. The NT coach needs to with a team manage this process but each week they need to get the the best result each season for Australia.

There are many coaches who would most likely do a better job then me in this role but they have not put their hand up. But I have spoken to a number of them and they have offered to help as much as I wish without stepping on my toes.

To me the NT coach is not a solo gig but a manager of all the skills and knowledge of our community. With being a manager they need to access all the info there and decide which is the best way forward. These are skills I have and believe with the support of these leaders in our community and input from various sources I am sure I can do the role proud.

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Date: 3/7/2013 6:46:51 AM
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also gr8 response i think we r lucky 2 have such candidates

From: Mr J

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237226.58 in reply to 237226.56
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Excellent answer. Thanks, Mickyster.

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