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Abbiamo vinto due medaglie in fila fra Europei e Mondiali, siamo fra il secondo e il terzo posto del ranking mondiale e dopo la Spagna siamo la Nazionale più continua.
Il tutto senza leggenda che fanno ormai piano long term, tranne quando li allenano in Israele o in Francia.

Poi certo si potrebbe pure obiettare che l'Under 21 non interessa. Ed è vero.
Ma fin quando esiste e qualcuno vota il ct ha l'obbligo di fare il meglio.

Tu come la gestiresti?


Last edited by legolas2018 at 12/10/2023 5:12:38 AM

Ahi ahi ahi ... Critiche senza avere idee proprie su alternative valide, circuire raggirare, poi verrà casta e cricca ... Che si preparino allo sbarco in U21 ?!?!

Ragazzuoli, mi riferisco in questo caso, e con molta educazione, a chi sta "dall'altra parte" della barricata U21.

Il modo dell'U21 vi è stato spiegato.
A livello di gioco il giocatore è sicuramente antieconomico, ma, oltre ad dialogo con l'allenatore nella correttezza, cos'altro si può fare?
Non credo nessuno abbia puntato la pistola alle spalle del malcapitato per farlo allenare così, come non credo sia stata mai puntata la pistola su qualcuno nelle N stagioni di U21 finora.

Aggiungo che, in 4 stagioni il numero di pop è limitato e un triplo 18 in primarie da lungo vale molto di più di un 7OD 7JS triplo 14 (che poi, non è detto si riesca ad arrivare a 7+14, dipende da come partono i rookie).

Si potesse vincere in U21 con tutti giocatori equilibrati, saremmo contentissimi tutti, ma non è così, purtroppo.

Quindi, almeno su quest'aspetto, evitiamo un giro d'accuse, perchè lo reputo veramente fuoriluogo.

Where I wrote to be proud not to have HoF in my roster?
I was reporting a fact, that you can check. It's not my choice Alonso ;)
I'm only the "poor" U21 NT Coach.

And I think it's not bad management, but it's a decision of our community and of NT staff.

We have different ideas, that can be bad or good. We're going to discover it in the future.



Last edited by legolas2018 at 12/10/2023 8:37:49 AM

So i think actually, being proud of not having any HoF is not something to be proud of, just bad management of your resources.

Hi Alo!

I can assure you that being proud of not having HoF in our U21 is a looot far from the truth.

The italian HoF players are "property" of the NT Staff who adress ALL OF THEM to long term plan without defence trainings before they are 23-24 years old. I'm fighting very hard to change that, but as you can see, I'm losing!

Last edited by Davide_12 at 12/10/2023 9:37:37 AM

Annyway Italy is 1200 users while Israel is 180, we are not compareable at any way, you can ruin 10 players with HoF potential to the U21 every season and still have plenty more for NT.

That's my point, we have enough pot 10+ and plenty of pot 9, taking out less than ten players every season for a long term plan (that some manager like it best) can't be the main "problem" of U21.

I still see many of our 1200 managers, let's say more than half of them, still train nosense skills like RB in their 18 yo regardless of any advice you can give em.

Lots of good rookies are born in teams who have no money to provide decent trainers. Or they just don't care much about "ruin" a virtual player in an online game.

We try to do our best to give advice and plans to whoever wants to do things properly for their team and for NTs, but we can't do miracles with who doesn't care about it..

That's my point, we have enough pot 10+ and plenty of pot 9, taking out less than ten players every season for a long term plan (that some manager like it best) can't be the main "problem" of U21.

Less than ten players that are almost the only group of 18 yrs old who will be trained with high level trainers and gym, and obviously that have the highest starting tsp.

It's easy to say "we take few players", if you leave us the lowest tsp and the players with owners that don't care about NT trainings.

It's not the "main problem" of U21, it's "one problem". Especially when you see that Spain, Israel and other top team have lots of HoF (or even All time Great potential!!!) trained at the best they can in their U21 roster.

Last edited by Davide_12 at 12/10/2023 10:35:50 AM

Less than ten players that are almost the only group of 18 yrs old who will be trained with high level trainers and gym, and obviously that have the highest starting tsp.

Ok, make more people buy trainers and train the other good pot 10 and all the mvp's and superstars...There are so many players that end up untrained or trained with no purpose, why don't you WORK on them?

It's easy to say "we take few players", if you leave us the lowest tsp and the players with owners that don't care about NT trainings.

It's so easier to blame others for your faults.. You had 3 players you were training to show how U21 is compatible with long term training, what happens? You sold them to prove what? Did you think leaving the game helped training more for U21 or caring more of NT trainings?
Did you now come back just to point fingers at who is training for NT and don't mind for that U21 season while training longterm?

It's not the "main problem" of U21, it's "one problem". Especially when you see that Spain, Israel and other top team have lots of HoF (or even All time Great potential!!!) trained at the best they can in their U21 roster.

Maybe they have more managers doing it, since an NT will last 4-6 seasons and U21 is just 1, and maybe you'd need much more people training every season JUST for U21?

I show the effectiveness of my plans with the new generation coming up, but i rather not discuss in detail on the forum.

I spent real years to convince few people how worth can be to train with 6+6. 6+7 or 7+7, while you were up with your campain of "4+4 is fine, as long as they train primaries by 21"...

Now you whine because who's training with 6+6 or more, is not doing it for U21?

You can change the language you use, but there are simple things you just can't get