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259366.39 in reply to 259366.38
Date: 6/15/2014 10:58:42 PM
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Some players are born better...and have ideal skill sets/height to train inside/out. Unfortunately Álvarez started with 3 SB / 3 JR. I have followed his skill set. He has regularly outperformed a similar player with one year more worth of training that has more balanced skills. He is 12/8/8/14/14/8/10/10/10/6.

Anyhow - I have another player close to capping that I would like to make more useful overall...
Here is my 24 year old 6'8" PAllstar...
12/8
8/11
13/9
13/13
10/8
If I can improve that guy's OD the next few seasons he can be a reliable backup SF/PF/C

So I have two players that in general could use improvement in OD. Granted its a slow/methodical transition at this point. But I'm not sure I want to try to go on a title run the next season or two anyway so I have the time.

But if I do decide to change plans and finish up inside, I could easily convert to center training. At that point though I am capping Dussán which I just don't know if I want to do yet.

Last edited by lawrenman at 6/15/2014 11:02:22 PM

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259366.40 in reply to 259366.39
Date: 6/16/2014 6:21:51 PM
Savlje BC
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So, I have this guy that i like to believe is a SF (honestly i screwed up his training in his early years, but i'm still proud of him as he's my own product), he's a HoF potential, but already 26 y/o.. here's his skills:

15 9
17 20
20 9
13 10
8 3

His SB is totally worthless (I was told SB was useless back in the day and didn't follow up with updates that made it (apparently) useful, so never trained it).

His OD is decent, but ID is low.. along with horrible SB. Is there any point to going into his inside skills or is he better off getting more outside training and i just settle with him being a guard? Or are there still some things i can do to have him as a "proper" SF?

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Date: 6/16/2014 7:06:30 PM
Savlje BC
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Ok, that's actually what i was doing lately, i plan to keep training outside skills (did defense, doing passing now) till end of season and then possibly switch to inside with new trainee - what lvl of PA you think would be sufficient?

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259366.43 in reply to 259366.42
Date: 6/16/2014 8:46:41 PM
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What a great player! Never had one like him. Congrats for the training you've done!

As for the training suggestions I would train ID along with some PA, because nowadays there is many inside oriented SFs and some people tend to play PFs or even Cs at SF position to maximize the power of inside offenses.

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259366.44 in reply to 259366.40
Date: 6/16/2014 8:47:36 PM
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If it were me, I would not train anymore passing this season. Giving him passing only increases his weekly wage without making him that much better of a player.

The skills I would suggest to train are:
JR/JS/PA/OD

JR will make him a better guard without increasing his wage too much. I would train him until he's 29.

18 12
18 20
20 11
13 10
8 3

This will put him at a wage of 138K.

The reason I suggest this over training him at the center position is that he has very high potential and that he is 26. At his current age he is much more useful playing near his primary position.

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259366.45 in reply to 259366.44
Date: 6/16/2014 11:51:19 PM
Mountain Eagles
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I would like to put in my 2 cents just because i wanted to help out a little....

From my past experiences, training SF takes dedication and hard work, and being lucky with injuries as well. In the TL I bought this guy for 11k (he had some pretty huge holes). Although he had major holes I was dedicated enough to fix them. For me i usually value defense the most on Small Forwards then anyone else. Because at the end of the day to me, if you can stop the opposing players' SF to nearly nothing, thats a win there. Here he is:

10/7/13/11/9/8-12/12/12/8

I know, passing is the major hole there, sadly I didn't have time to work around it and well he's nearly capped. Gonna work on finishing out his jump shot and then touch up on OD ID IS and call it a day. Again, I know passing a very big issue there and it will probably be a liability come Division 2, but my strategy was to create a more unique SF, a SF that has more IS then JS, because I always believed that the "usual" Small Forwards have more OD then ID. And that more SFs are usually SGs instead of PFs. So instead of passing i wanted to go the unique way and do a Inside Scoring SF to make up for that passing, so if in any case he does have to shoot, at least it's a decent shot inside.

So I'd have to say, with 11k I think i did myself well

~those are my 2 cents, maybe this little advice does help other players.


edt: P.S. I like rebounding on SFs too, maybe 11 woulda been enough but in terms of rebounds I think like this: If you have a good defense but cannot get the rebound, then you will ultimately lose. GOod defense and rebounds will get you A LOT more shots, and even with a semi-good offense, you can win games with great rebounding and defense.

Last edited by tough at 6/16/2014 11:58:14 PM

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259366.46 in reply to 259366.45
Date: 6/18/2014 12:23:08 AM
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tough>

You make a good argument for rebounding. My thought on rebounding is that it can be trained by someone else.

In that I would perceive that there will be more players on the market who can rebound then there are players that excel at ID/OD in combo.

I figure I can buy a cheap inside player that can rebound without too much issue to support a SF that may not have much RB skill.

However, I do think that 10-12 Rebounding is decent and worth consideration from the SF position. I think your SF will work out well. Well done. Like you said, it may be a little underskilled for Div 2. However, he will make a great backup. I wouldn't be too concerned on passing...its more of a luxury than a need IMO.

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Date: 6/26/2014 10:54:05 AM
Zero Gravity
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Hi Folks,

May I get your comments/advises regarding what should be the next step to my trainee?
He looks like this at age 23 with height 190cm, and his potential is 8. I could only train him with lvl 4 trainer and just got recently my lvl 5 a few weeks ago.

Jump Shot: prolific (11) Jump Range: average (6)
Outside Def.: prolific (11) Handling: respectable (7)
Driving: strong (8) Passing: proficient (9)
Inside Shot: prolific (11) Inside Def.: wondrous (14)
Rebounding: proficient (9) Shot Blocking: inept (4)
Stamina: mediocre (5) Free Throw: mediocre (5)

Thanks,
Sz.

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