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If I was Judge Judy... right about now is when I'll throw you out of the court room for contempt.

Naker you lost this one, you can either agree with the majority or you can dig yourself a deeper hole! LOL

Naker - If lawyers were held to account for the crap they pull in and out of court, and if they billed by task rather than by hour, if we didn't have ridiculous discovery procedures that take months (years in big cases).... the list could go on and on :P

Firstly, what do you mean by crap pulled in and out of court?
Secondly, by should they bill by task rather than hour when mayn other professions bill by the hour?
Thirdly, if there was a way to do the discoveries quicker I'm sure it would get done, but in reality there are just so many court cases that it is impossible to deal with each one effectively. Perhaps if people were committing less crime or were nicer to each other then the courts could deal with the number of cases :P

Much better to have Lebron 0-8 and Wade 12-18 then have Lebron 1-17 and Wade 5-9 aye.... I know that doesn't fit with the logical theory of a whole team going 0-8 vs a whole team going 1-17 but sorry :P

lol that just confused me :P

surely the fact ts 1000 vs 1 you have to doubt your theory?

It used to be billions against 1 person who would claim the earth was round and not flat...majority isn't always right ;)

What do you have to say in response to my argument that if Team A's players kept all of Team B's players to 0-8 then they would win because Team B's players would keep all of Team A's players to 1-17.

If I was Judge Judy... right about now is when I'll throw you out of the court room for contempt.

Naker you lost this one, you can either agree with the majority or you can dig yourself a deeper hole! LOL

hahaha Judge Judy :D

If you keep digging then eventually you are back to the surface :P

haha I like your thinking.. but its not really rational..

On a rational level, based on common sense, not the court room bullshit, you wouldn't be able to dig to the other side of the Earth. It hasn't been done before and I don't think humans have the capabilities to even travel to the Earths outer core, let alone the inner core. Its only been done in The Matrix and some beer commercials. =P

What do you have to say in response to my argument that if Team A's players kept all of Team B's players to 0-8 then they would win because Team B's players would keep all of Team A's players to 1-17.

It's not a vaild argument. Team A have had 85 possessions and Team B have had 40 possessions

Where are the other 45?

haha rationality is subjective ;)

And you could dig to the other side of the Earth, if you imagine a big circle like O, then draw a chord through the circle that doesn't go near the center and you could dig through ;) Plus there are heaps of movies about digging through the core of the Earth so it must be true ;)

Steals and Turnovers? :P

1) Lawyers are not held to account. They mislead other lawyers and the court and they're allowed to do it. Disciplinary boards are toothless and only go after small practitioners - never the larger firms, unless they REALLY screw it up. Sole practitioners and two/three man law firms, they're easy targets because they don't have clout, so occasionally they'll string one of them up, but if you're a partner in a large law firm, you can do and say pretty much whatever you want, even if it's totally misleading. And a a lawyer, you can't call the other side out on it without proof, because that's professional misconduct. So even though it's blatantly obvious to everyone what's happening, it goes on. There needs to be tighter restrictions on how lawyers act.

2) Because the system is abused. Firms reward by the highest biller, not by the skill of the lawyer. Lawyers are encouraged to bill maximum hours, which means that they falsify time sheets, spend far longer on tasks than they should - they milk everything out of it that they can. What other professions charge by time? Dentists, doctors, teachers, vets - all charge by task, not time. Accountants and lawyers are by time.... and both professions milk it :P

3) Discovery refers to the process of exchanging documents between two parties in a civil trial. What large companies do when they're against a small fry is dump thousands and thousands of documents on them, completely irrelevant crap, and mix in the important documents in with that. It then falls to the small guy's lawyers/the small guy himself to spend hundreds of hours poring over useless documents to try to find any speck of relevance. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Discovery should not be as expensive and time-consuming as it is - courts should take more control over the process and punish parties who abuse it. And believe me, they abuse it.

Like I said... I could go on :P

Thirdly, if there was a way to do the discoveries quicker I'm sure it would get done, but in reality there are just so many court cases that it is impossible to deal with each one effectively. Perhaps if people were committing less crime or were nicer to each other then the courts could deal with the number of cases :P

it is actually a myth that crime is increacing in australia

in fact the opposite is happening with as far as i know all crimes rates except shoplifting being stable or actually declining - some like murder by a lot

and at the same time we have a massive increace in incarceration rates, how can that be? yet another failing of the system as mentally ill people are no longer looked after by the medical profession but instead are locked up in prison and the key is thrown away

and dont even try to be an aboriginal and get justice in some parts of australia...

Australia incarcerates its Aborigines at between 19 and 29 times the rate of the rest of the population [depending on whose rubbery definition of Aboriginal is used].

not wanting to bag oz, still the best country in the world, just dont like to see it getting worse

I was saying according to what you believe Lebron going 0-8 and Wade 12-18 is better then having Lebron 1-17 and Wade 5-9


I have no response to an entire team keeping every player to 0-8 vs an entire team keeping every player to 1-17 because I'm gonna stick to the topic of what this argument is about, the MVP voting and a if a single player kept someone to 1-17 or 0-8... What you are suggesting is not realistic so therefor not relevant. The fact of the matter is in the game in question that started this argument not every player shot like ass and by your theory it was much better to let the player who was shooting like ass to stop shooting and let the guys who were shooting ok have more shots which = more points against which = worse off which = watermelons are yummier then grapes

I've had my fair share of beers tonight but to me it seems you have had your ass handed to you on a platter by multiple people and are clutching at straws with these points that have no bearing on what could actually happen in a basketball game or the initial argument.