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Thanks! I'll fire all three staff members after today's game, and sign better ones after Monday evening :)

dont fire them all. lvl 1 staff is fine at the beginning (except trainer) you dont need high lvl pr managers and doctors at the start.

Got some pretty exciting news, we're 12 again!

The first signing was one of those unfortunate "what does this button do" experiments. While I quickly understood bidding the whooping $1k on Señor César Téllez (31756596) wasn't the smartest thing to do, he's 18, comes from my favourite country on the planet, becomes our tertiary trainee, and we're very thin at the wing anyway.

The second one I'm really thrilled about! My compatriot Daniel Furman (30278650) is exactly the big young man we were looking for! While I realize I must have overpaid if I overbid the rest of the internets on day 3 in the job (feel free to point out why), but people seem to be demanding similar value for any 18yo with over 60 skill points, and then brag about how their trainees popped 13-14 times a year, so I'll just take a 19yo with 82 beautifully distributed skill points and see if I can make him grow with the club, all the way to the top :)

25) is very important, and easier to ask with a picture:
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Thanks, didn't notice the injury!

Btw, here are my trainees:
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Furman has 82 skill points in total, Edu - 62, and Antuma - 48.

I figured that if I religiously alternate them between IS and ID, both guys I have just bought could become good forwards, ironically the shorter one playing much closer to the basket, and the Pole as my mini-LeBron SF.

However, there has been a lot of excitement about Antuma around here, and honestly I don't see why. For me, he'll always remain an undersized, one-dimentional, and expensive player. Can you explain me why I'm wrong? Thus:

26) how would you rank the future of those three?

And a bonus:

27) If I decide to sell one, what's the season with highest prices for youngsters? Before playoffs? Before the regular season? After the draft?

We've been talking up Antuma because he's 18, has Superstar potential and not often you see a newly created team get given a good trainee like that. None of us knew at the time that he had atrocious JS and JR, but if you're worried about that you can always train Jump Shot for SF/PF at some point. 6'9" isn't that undersized really, especially since height doesn't actually mean anything in the game engine itself.

Height instead affects training... a shorter player is going to be able to train outside skills quicker, whilst a taller player will train inside skills quicker. It could just be me, but I haven't seen a great deal of 7+ footers in BB, at least compared to players in the high 6 foot range. 6'9" is an acceptable height for a big-man player training wise; not ideal, but you'll get solid training nonetheless.

26: Out of the three you've posted though, the best one in my opinion right now is Daniel Furman, even taking into account him being a year older. Gotta love those SF's and players who have great secondary skills (inside skills for guards, outside skills for bigs). P-Allstar potential is also nice. Antuma is, as stated before, a good trainee in his own right... but the Brazilian is likely to become a third wheel training wise, since he lacks potential and his IS is poor right now.

27: My estimate, when it comes to a young players resale value, is just after the draft each season. Managers will be looking for youngsters to compliment their new draftees in their training plans and as such, a good prospect can fetch great money in a bidding war. That's the key to getting lot's of money from the transfer market; starting a bidding war.

Well for one, when we talk about total skill points we don't count Stamine and Free throws, so Antuma only has 39. Also, when viewing your roster other managers can't see the skills of your players, only now you've linked them we can see. His salary, age and potential is what we base our guess of his value on, and those looked good (18yo, superstar with 3k+ salary). However, now that we've seen his skills we see that his secondaries are bad, and now that we know the skillpoint total you've talked about includes Stamina and Free throws, thus making the total skill points we talk about 9 points lower, we can agree it's not an exciting prospect. Still, you got him for free on your first team and he's a lot better than what most people end up with with their initial roster.

Also, height doesn't have any impact on player performance, it doesn't matter if you have a 5'11" guy playing center, as long as his skills are proper for the position he'll play like any taller player. Height only affects how fast or slow certain skills train (Rebounding trains faster on tall players for example).

26) I'd rank your guys Antuma, Furman, Leal; they all got pretty mediocre stats so a ranking by potential seems in order. I'd train them on IS and ID and when Furman and Leal are starting to look good, add 1v1 forwards and some passing and OD to your training for Antuma.

27) I usually sell youngsters that are still trainable a few weeks into the season, by that time most players have sold their draftees so supply is low, and there's always some people that are looking for trainees.

Thanks for your help, guys!

26) I'd rank your guys Antuma, Furman, Leal; they all got pretty mediocre stats so a ranking by potential seems in order. I'd train them on IS and ID and when Furman and Leal are starting to look good, add 1v1 forwards and some passing and OD to your training for Antuma.

I guess I still have to learn a lot, because for now I see them completely differently. I assumed:
1. Antuma's secondary skills are non-existent, which means I'll always train him as C, meaning his salary is always going to be blown out of proportion. A year from now he'll have tremendous ID, sensational IS, and atrocious everything else, on a $8k salary. Is that a functional player?
2. In one year Furman will be a beast inside with amazing all-round secondary skills and thus manageable salary, actually heading for what others described to me as the perfect PF. Thus far, I haven't seen another player with those skills (or an 18yo with those skills -12) on the transfer market.
3. Both of you value Leal poorly, and I got him pretty much for free, so surely he's the case that I misunderstand the most. From the forum threads which provide potential formulae I figured he still has a lot of room to grow, beautifully fits my training scheme, and will always remain a cheap piece of my rotation. A year from now his inside skills should match and begin to dominate the secondary ones. At that point I'd hope to upgrade him from scrimmage center to league game center (since you told me the engine doesn't mind the size and that's the position where I can hide the poor JR) or alternatively sell him for some big bucks, way before he reaches his potential. I'd think he's way better than Antuma. But I guess I'm very wrong...

3. Both of you value Leal poorly, and I got him pretty much for free, so surely he's the case that I misunderstand the most. From the forum threads which provide potential formulae I figured he still has a lot of room to grow, beautifully fits my training scheme, and will always remain a cheap piece of my rotation. A year from now his inside skills should match and begin to dominate the secondary ones. At that point I'd hope to upgrade him from scrimmage center to league game center (since you told me the engine doesn't mind the size and that's the position where I can hide the poor JR) or alternatively sell him for some big bucks, way before he reaches his potential. I'd think he's way better than Antuma. But I guess I'm very wrong...

I'd agree more with you, but this is a discussion that's been heated on the forums in the past. A *well-trained* star potential player can be an important part of a team as it starts out and as it moves up the league structure. I've got key backup/spot starter guys even now who are star potential guys and who I am not ashamed at all to start when necessary, but they're guys that I've either trained specifically for what they do or purchased with the skills I needed. I think turning Leal into a big man is a very clever move, and he's got the makeup to be one of those guys who clearly outperforms his salary.

Of course opinions vary, and I'm just giving you my take on things. As you see, others will see things differently, and I must say I started out the same way. I bought a couple of Star potential players for scraps, and sold them a season later for 50-100k. That's a fine way to get to learn how to train properly on a tiny investment, and even earn some money while you're at it.

The problem I had with that, is that after 2 season I was already looking at promotion, and I was just acquiring new trainees. I then had to play my 18-year olds during league games I had to win, and that wasn't easy to combine. Now if I would have had trainees with higher potential, they'd be able to contribute at that point so I could still compete at a high level and train my guys. Even if I had kept the Star potential players, they'd soon be capped out and then I'd need new trainees in a competitive environment. Even though Star potential players can be trained into well rounded, salary efficient role players, I think after a couple of seasons you'll wish you'd be training a guy who will become your franchise player instead of a great backup.

So even though Antuma has bad secondaries, you can train him for a long time, and with his solid primaries he'll be able to contribute to your team in league matches soon enough. He can be your trainee for important matches you need to win. Also, for bigs, it's pretty easy to get decent secondary skills because you can train 1v1 and Jumpshot for forwards, meaning you can train secondaries from the PF position, which is natural for your bigs so they don't underperformance because of out of position training. That way, you'll have 3 of the 6 secondaries trained easily. Furthermore, these (DR, HA, JS) are skill that train very fast, so it won't take long for him to have decent secondaries. Of course, it's not perfect if he still has bad OD, PA and JR, but at least he's not a bone headed salary monster.

Furman is a great trainee too and I must say at 2nd look I think he's equal or maybe better, at least not much worse than Antuma for training purposes. You can train him for a while too, but I think after 2 seasons you'll be itching to buy a great trainee (superstar potential or better with good starting skills), and then Leal will be the first to go, before he's become a good rotation player.

But as I said, this is just my view, and maybe you and others feel differently. I'm just sharing my experience and you can take it for what it is :) Good luck!