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191409.31 in reply to 191409.25
Date: 7/29/2011 11:31:41 AM
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Running the NT isn't difficult - its just time consuming.

Anyone able to devote the time to running the Nippon NT can do a great job but is limited with the resources.... if we were talking about a 500+ userbase nation then of course its a different story but lets be fair our NT picks itself based on Gameshape....and if anyone wants to argue that its not that simple you are over analysing the situation.

Furusawa is 26 - has recd training all last season and is only 1 skill up from capping out as a big man... (1 IS for sure, probably 1 RB and maybe 1.5 ID).... did you want me to give him that and then not squeeze anymore handling out of him or the JS that he got recently?

Your argument on Ochi is equally weak... he wins matches because of his IS. Maybe not at NT level but at club level you all bitch and moan about my LI tactic, what you overlook is I've built 2 guys with great OD and IS... very rare - so when I don't have a JS advantage anymore because everyone has shored up their outside defence, I know you can't contain my big men.... so again, don't complain that LI is too powerful when you haven't got the players to combat the tactic.

Back to the NT - its more about dedication and so in my opinion it should go to the most passionate/capable manager. Have fun with the NT and enjoy communicating with our managers.... a lot of people would love to be living and working in Japan and I would hope not all the BB mails are just about training etc.

I've made some good friends in the seasons I've played this game through regular communication and managing our NT allows you to do this as well as engross yourself deeper into the game itself.


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191409.32 in reply to 191409.26
Date: 7/29/2011 1:34:52 PM
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I would not blackmail you saying I wil not do it if I'm not elected. Fact is, I'll probably not take the time to do it and focus on something else (my team, helping our NT or whatever) rather than spending time on something that will not be useful to me ;).

For the fact of me not posting a speech, once again I'm sorry to do it like that but even if I wanted to do so I really don't have time to do it, so I prefer not doing anything than an half assed speech ^^. I will, hopefuly, have more time if I go to the second round ^^

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191409.33 in reply to 191409.30
Date: 7/29/2011 5:28:18 PM
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Awesome. You have a database. Did you share it? Aaaah... therein lies the problem Wolph.


I think its a great idea to have multiple people involved, and in USA THEY NEED IT.

Now if you can't see that, they you are not THE GUY to manage japan, and THE GUY, sorry to say it DOESNT NEED HELP...REALLY.... as Samurai stated.

You are talking about, at each age, about 5 players worth EVEN CONSIDERING. YOu don't need an offsite database, you don't need 5 cooks. If you are catering a wedding for 600 people, then you need a couple cooks, dish washers, waiters etc.... If you are having a couple dudes over for poker night..... You need one guy ,or just let the host clean it all up in the morning (which sucks but hey).

What are you talking about? That was merely in response to you saying that I wouldn't be able to be involved in a big country's program!
And Wolph... I'm not running for election. I have just asked questions - but you keep jumping in. And unless I missed something, you're not running for election either - so please refrain from responding to my questions.

Last edited by malice at 7/29/2011 6:23:13 PM

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191409.34 in reply to 191409.27
Date: 7/30/2011 3:24:39 AM
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So Izaman or BG. May I ask you both a question, what will you both do to try and improve communication with the rest of Japan outside the JBBL and long term planning?


Having coached the NT team for several seasons and competing against other team (or should i say systems), commnication isnt the major issue.

It is the abundance of trained talent at every position. Asking guys to train players or keep up game shape falls of deaf ears when there is not treat in the depth chart to push the starter.

The NT team is chuck full of talent down to SF.

When guys know its not guarenteed for their guy to play (and collect precious merchandising), they tend to listen to what you have to say.

There is a difference is asking guys to do things over simply stating the necesities to make the lineup.

What i think the major problem is, is not enough managers in Japan see the benefit of training a draftee from the ground up. Sure, its one thing to have outside managers train japanese talent, but the commitment is much deeper for people in their own country to train draftees to the NT team.

Dont believe me? Ask stunners about the about his merchansizing money for Oishii. The incentive is already in place to train draftees.

In what other country do 2 MVP bigs on the same team get sold before a single training? And one to a non japanese team.

In countries with "systems" i.e. farm teams, those guys go straight to one position training mills in country.

So we can talk about communication or what not, but what Japan really needs is 3/4 teams like 3A that are commited to training bigs.

That solves alot of the problems right there. Japan cant depend on other countries to train their/our talent.

We have to value it, train it ourselves.

Last edited by Izaman at 7/30/2011 3:25:29 AM

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191409.35 in reply to 191409.34
Date: 7/30/2011 4:44:22 AM
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So we can talk about communication or what not, but what Japan really needs is 3/4 teams like 3A that are commited to training bigs.

That solves alot of the problems right there. Japan cant depend on other countries to train their/our talent.

We have to value it, train it ourselves.

I agree that we have to train our own players, unfortunately, they don't fall into our lap that often. Last draft, there were very few players of that nature actually in the draft across the nation. For what it's worth, I am committed to training bigs. I single position train too. If I can land my hands on a quality Japanese big, it'd be awesome. Easier said than done.

The communication that you deride, would help in developing the sense of community, and enable *you* (the NT manager) to better distribute ideas about what needs to happen with players, and encourage teams to do so. It's not that we need better communication Izaman, we need 'communication' period.
No-one talks, and today is the first time I've actually heard "this is what we need" for the National team.
There are absolutely no negatives to actually developing a community and actually having "communication".

Questions for all candidates:

What i think the major problem is, is not enough managers in Japan see the benefit of training a draftee from the ground up. Sure, its one thing to have outside managers train japanese talent, but the commitment is much deeper for people in their own country to train draftees to the NT team.

How would you envisage addressing this problem?
Given this problem exists, how will you work around it?
Realistically, what are your expectations for the Nippon NT in the coming season?

Thanks...

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From: malice

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191409.37 in reply to 191409.36
Date: 7/30/2011 5:17:49 AM
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Two reasons why the U21 Fed never got off the ground Wolph...
1. You know.
2. Most Nippon users don't have supporter.

And I disagree on your definition of "community" and "communication".

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From: malice

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191409.39 in reply to 191409.38
Date: 7/30/2011 6:16:14 AM
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This is absolutely the wrong thread to do this in Wolph. And you're wrong on that too. Nearly all of II.1 - a pretty active div. - don't have supporter.

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191409.40 in reply to 191409.39
Date: 7/30/2011 7:49:22 AM
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I'm not a supporter :). And i always read the forum and connect to the chat

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