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Do you have the stats of this dude? (2402564)
Pure insideshot created that salary?

Thanks for the comments.

I don't have his skills but I see he has bounced around a lot. As such, it would be hard to get a read on where he capped or even if he is capped. I will contact his owner, though, to see what he has to say.

In any case, if he is a pure inside shot monster, it does seem to confirm at least part of what my (preliminary) model is saying. Although it does seem weird. Why would outside shooting impact the cap so much, while inside shooting impacts it so little?

Unfortunately I have only capped out all-stars and have little to add. In fact, most of this was done back in January 2009 (35905.52). I have been wasting my time with my sf's (with one replaced by iruleta/kordalewski) ever since.

Just want to say that this guy(2402564) existed before the potential system came out, which means that the system may not work on him as he had been improved before it. everyone without potential before season 5 were not limited to improve. So I think all the guys with default all-star potential should not be referred to the potential system.

So I think all the guys with default all-star potential should not be referred to the potential system.

I was under the impression that only about 2-3 players were over the allstar cap when the system was introduced. I think Romero was one of them. This guy may be another. But unless you (or someone else) knows otherwise, I will just make sure to not use one of those players. ;-)

Also, I am only using data when the person in question can give me some background on the player's training. So like I said, this almost certainly eliminates the $250K allstar example above since he has bounced around so much. I am not taking players directly off the transfer list, for example. While this system is not perfect, I think it is probably as good as any.

If I start to get a lot of data, I can be even more choosy about what I put in the model. But right now I don't have that option.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 8/30/2010 1:54:16 PM

Unfortunately I have only capped out all-stars and have little to add. In fact, most of this was done back in January 2009 (35905.52). I have been wasting my time with my sf's (with one replaced by iruleta/kordalewski) ever since.

Thanks for that thread, I am a late joiner to Superfly's fed and did not know about it. It seems there are quite a few examples there that I do not have. I will plug them in and see what happens to the model.

I think I am close to capping a star guard but I won't know for sure if he's done until early next season at the soonest. (I suspect he's close but when I switch over to two position JS training next season I will know for sure if he doesn't pop in JS within a reasonable length of time)
I'll let you know when I think he's hit the wall. I suspect Milot is at least two full seasons from hitting his cap, but I could be wrong. We'll see if I am even willing to push his salary that high.

I assume you are talking about Guanglun? He must be getting pretty close, based on his DMI (DMI is a rough estimator of current salary when game shape is proficient). If you want to get him as many pops as possible, I suggest mixing handling, passing and outside d training. At least that's what my analysis says so far. But like I said, it is very preliminary and most likely hokum.

By the way, you can ask The Mogul about Jean-Francis Saint-Martin (7419597). I am pretty sure he is capped at his current skill set. It can give you an idea what a star guard caps at.

A couple of questions. Did you ever take Neascu or Vyberal to their cap? If so, do you remember where they were when they capped.

Also, for Marcum and Oberortner, are the skills listed there the skills when they capped (to the best of your knowledge). Or did you give them a bit of training after their cap?

Thanks again for all the information.

Marcum and Oberortner were capped at that point. Neacsu managed one more OD improvement, but was likely capped at the time of the Jan 09 post. I was unsure if Vyberal was capped - he reached 15 level js, but was injured a few times right before he stopped receiving training.

Ok, I have this player:

Owner: Spångakillarna

Weekly salary: $ 17 292

DMI: 72200
Age: 24
Height: 6'8" / 203 cm
Potential: starter
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: prominent Handling: proficient
Driving: prominent Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: prominent Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: average Free Throw: inept

From my experience his training was slowed, but not too much so he didnt hit the cap (the way you describe it in another thread).

If this is true:

-Jump shot, jump range, inside defense and rebounding all contribute significantly to capping (and at similar levels)
-Passing and inside shot contribute in a very minor way
-All other skills have zero impact on capping.

I could rearange his skills by moving JS and JR to ID and RB without changing the cap

Owner: Spångakillarna

Weekly salary: $ 73 558

DMI: 72200
Age: 24
Height: 6'8" / 203 cm
Potential: starter
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: atrocious Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: prominent Handling: proficient
Driving: prominent Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: marvelous
Rebounding: phenomenal Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: average Free Throw: inept

To this I could even add some amount of IS without him caping out?
I might have made some misstake here but to me it looks like you need more data to improve the model.

From my experience his training was slowed, but not too much so he didnt hit the cap (the way you describe it in another thread).

The slower training is likely due to age. When he takes 6 weeks to pop, I would appreciate it if you could contact me with his skills. I could use him in the model.

Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: marvelous
Rebounding: phenomenal Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: average Free Throw: inept

No, in my current model and with only starter potential this guy would have capped a long time before this, just due to the 15/18 ID/RB. Now if you swapped the RB and shot blocking and ID with IS, you might be on to something.

I might have made some misstake here but to me it looks like you need more data to improve the model.

I completely agree with that statement and I think it is pretty much what I said above. Like I said, sharing the info is just for fun at this stage and should not be taken seriously.