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I have 3 players on my roster whose combination of OD+ID+SB equals 37, being those 3 my best defenders as a consequence.

One of them has very high OD, so I guess that if I choose outside box-and-one he will be the "one".

But what about the other two who are more inside oriented defensively? Is it correct to assume that in the case of inside box-and-one the player who has the higher ID will be chosen ? Or do sublevels play a part on this calculation?

For example:

Player 1: OD 10 ID17 SB 10 = 37
Player 2: OD 9 ID 15 SB 13 = 37

Player 1 has higher ID and should be the "one", right? But if you count sublevels, hipotetically player 1 adds to 37,4 and player 2 adds to 37,6. In this case, will player 2 be chosen as the "one"?

Oh, well, I played this afternoon my main team against my utopia team and the "Player 1" from above basically guarded all the shots from the utopia's best shooter. When "Player 1" got subbed, all the shots became guarded by "Player 2", and when "player 1" went back to court he took the role again of defending every shot of the utopia's best shooter.

In this case utopia played inside iso and main team played inside box-and-one, I don't know if the tactics were different the defensive behaviour would be the same, but I got many answers from this match. Probably lots of people here already knew all of that, but still.

I tried two pickup games.
In one game, I used the "inside box and one" tactic, and the best defensive player (best OD, best ID, best SB) in the lineup were set to defend as PG.
In the other game, I used the "outside box and one" tactic, and the best defensive player (best OD, best ID, best SB) in the lineup were set to defend as C.
For the inside box and one game, I cannot be completely sure, but for the outside box and one game, it seems like the best defensive player is probably the "+1" player.
Therefore, it is highly likely that my interpretation of those two games before is wrong.
My previous assumptions naturally do not hold.

I tried two pickup games.
In one game, I used the "inside box and one" tactic, and the best defensive player (best OD, best ID, best SB) in the lineup were set to defend as PG.
In the other game, I used the "outside box and one" tactic, and the best defensive player (best OD, best ID, best SB) in the lineup were set to defend as C.
For the inside box and one game, I cannot be completely sure, but for the outside box and one game, it seems like the best defensive player is probably the "+1" player.
Therefore, it is highly likely that my interpretation of those two games before is wrong.
My previous assumptions naturally do not hold.

I'm not sure if that's what you are trying to say, but from what I understand, regardless of the defensive positions the players are set up for the game, the best defensive player (according to the engine) will always defend the opponent's best attacking player, regardless of the set up position of the best defensive player and regardless of the position of the best attacking player. This will almost always disrupt the defensive matchups of the other 4 players, since they will play zone defense. However, I think box-and-one can be effective if well planned, specially against patient and isolation offenses. Actually, if well planned, it can be a kriptonite against patient. Just saying.

Sorry to bring this on again, but I have a doubt

Is the formula of the +1 affected by the position on the court or is it only skill based? I mean, could a PG be selected to be that player before your C?
Does this work the same way with outside and inside +1?

Thanks.

talking from experience of others' - i've been told that even your C can be the +1 defender in OUTSIDE BOX. crazy stuff haha

Yes, because if you place an all defense player on C, he will be the best solution.
When I did the tests with both boxes, Haek was always the +1 defender. He had OD 18, ID 18 and SB 18, so he was option 1, no matter which box and which position.

Than you so much Alonso and Nachtmahr.

So if the +1 is decided only by skills, that means (as BB-Justin said I think) the best defensive player will be selected regarding his position on court, but the formula will change a bit between if you selected outside +1 or inside +1, having more impact on the first one the OD, and ID on the second one.
To sum up, you only choose who you want to take the most defensive responsability, right? It doesn't matter if the oposing team play inside or outside, the GE will choose "the best offensive" player in that tactic and your job is to choose which +1 is going to defend him (in case you clearly have different build defensive players).

Maybe I still don't comprehend it 100%...

I am not sure if you got that as well, but I'm gonna add it just in case - you are right that it doesn't matter which tactic your opponent chooses, but inside and outside is not only there to choose which player from your team is going to be +1. It also determines which opponents offensive player that +1 will be guarding.

So to give an example if you choose inside +1 then your +1 defender will guard opponents best inside attacker and when you choose outside +1 your +1 will guard opponents best outside attacker.

Is that so? I'm not that sure

And another question that popped in my head is... does GS affect in order to choose who is that +1?

I'm quite sure in that. I have analyzed the data from the games where these tactics were used against me and my own games also.

My best offensive outside player is (47618898) and best inside player is (48008577)

To give you few examples:
(127222643) - In this game Dozet was always defended by (49319904), but when Tikk was not on the floor he was guarded by (49320544). Those are opponent's best inside defenders.
(127613964) (128435676) - Same opponent, but in both of these games he played outside +1. In both games Antony was guarded by opponent's best outside defender and Dozet's shots were defended by different players.

I myself play outside +1 in almost every game and never has my +1 defender(who is this guy (49032540)) guarded opponents inside attackers. And I have played against teams who have those 22IS or even higher monsters.

Just some additional notes about +1 defenses:
Dozet still had 25 shots in this game (127222643), reason is probably that those defenders didn't have high OD. I believe that OD is important in +1 defenses to keep your opponents shots taken low. Of course I played isolation, but still it is a factor.

About GS I'm not sure. Never had a chance to test it.

Last edited by LA-DrugTag at 02/07/2024 03:45:11