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184241.224 in reply to 184241.223
Date: 5/13/2011 12:12:40 PM
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If there were unlimited shots taken, then it wouldn't matter how many shots he missed, keeping a guy -08 will be better than 1-17 (purely because he scores 0 points compared to 2). But given there are only a limited number of shots available in a game, keeping someone to 1-17 shooting is more beneficial than 0-8, purely because if he shoots it 17 times, that's 9 shots he has missed that someone else could've taken. Or, as iwen pointed out, that's 9 more 'empty' possessions.

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Date: 5/13/2011 12:26:34 PM
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smeltz is amazed at the level of interest in yet another 3 MVP pts he seemingly gets whenever the SAS win ... lol


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184241.226 in reply to 184241.224
Date: 5/13/2011 5:54:13 PM
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Couldnt have worded it better.

Naker and datzilla, you guys are very odd people. =P
I think matt1986 would make the abbl before either of you guys hahha.. I kidd!

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Date: 5/13/2011 6:29:53 PM
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But given there are only a limited number of shots available in a game, keeping someone to 1-17 shooting is more beneficial than 0-8, purely because if he shoots it 17 times, that's 9 shots he has missed that someone else could've taken. Or, as iwen pointed out, that's 9 more 'empty' possessions.


firstly, its 1-12 attempts not 17.

But, if those 9 shots were given to the player that can't hit 0 out of 8 attempts would it be different? he may miss that 9 shots as well. We can't ASSUME that a player that has blocked out 8 shots can't block out another 9 shots.

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184241.228 in reply to 184241.227
Date: 5/13/2011 7:10:24 PM
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You also can't assume that he's going to miss them

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184241.229 in reply to 184241.227
Date: 5/13/2011 7:12:24 PM
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No we can't assume.

But we can say that if a defender kept 2 players 1-17 from the field in a game, that's more impressive than if they kept an opponent 0-8, purely because they stopped more shots (16 stops vs 8), even if he scored "2" points. We don't need to assume anything, Szad stopped 16 shots. Smeltz stopped 8. Over the course of a game, 16 stops is more valuable than 8.

Looking at the play by play Zinhao (poor guy) scored his only bucket from an alley-oop.

Again, the MVP points don't need to be changed since JW ain't gonna appeal a teammate's MVP award lol...

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184241.230 in reply to 184241.228
Date: 5/13/2011 7:16:03 PM
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If a player shoots 0-8, then based on all available data it could be extrapolated that he would also miss the next 9 shots.
Keeping an opponent to 0 points scoring is better than letting them score 2 points, regardless of the number of attempts, because at the end of the day it isn't possessions that win you games, it is points, so by preventing the points you are preventing them from winning, and thus 0-8 is better than 1-17 :P

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184241.231 in reply to 184241.230
Date: 5/13/2011 7:19:16 PM
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I'll have some of what you're having...

Keeping an opponent 1-17 has prevented more points than 0-8.

Since 1-17 allowed 2 from a possible 34... and 0-8 allowed 0 from 16...

Prevented 32 points vs 16 points.....

Let's play with numbers!

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184241.232 in reply to 184241.230
Date: 5/13/2011 7:27:48 PM
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Its stretching it a little to extrapolate from a pretty small sample though

Is a bloke who shoots 1-1 better than a guy who shoots 999-1000 in a season? Where does this madness end?

0-1 is equal to 0-1000000000? You'd rather a bloke take 30 shots a game and hit one of them, than a bloke not shoot at all? ;)

/me exits this debate

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184241.233 in reply to 184241.231
Date: 5/13/2011 7:30:22 PM
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I'll have some of what you're having...

Keeping an opponent 1-17 has prevented more points than 0-8.

Since 1-17 allowed 2 from a possible 34... and 0-8 allowed 0 from 16...

Prevented 32 points vs 16 points.....

Let's play with numbers!


Yes, but at the end of the day who failed to prevent the most shots? The guy from 1-17 failed to prevent a shot, and thus was less valuable than the guy that succesfully prevented every shot ;)

If we are playing with numbers, 0 beats 2 :P

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184241.234 in reply to 184241.232
Date: 5/13/2011 7:32:54 PM
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Well 8 is only just under half of 17, so considering the small sample size it is quite safe to extrapolate slightly.
Well a guy that shoots 1-1 isn't better than a guy that shoots 999-1000 because the first guy only gets 2 points and the other guy gets 1998 points, and so obviously contributes more. The same applies here because one guy allowed 2 points to be scored whilst the other guy stopped every shot! :P

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