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i am still getting 2 weeks 1 pop on passing on my 26 old HOF 7'0 center who currently has 9 passing, his handling is a bit higher but not much

i checked on a 7 footer on the transfer list a couple months ago with high handling who came up pretty fast on passing also.

I guess if your handling is high enough than height does not become a huge factor.




Last edited by vdog at 9/16/2014 8:35:38 AM

Passing isn't affected by height like OD and especially JR. I bought these two guys for pretty cheap a number of seasons ago. Their builds as rookies were very similar so they trained well together. Both had pitiful passing. Most of their first season was one on one forwards to build handling. Then OD and JR since those two are linked. So then as a 20 yo and a 21 year old with only a level four trainer they went from pitiful passing to proficient in seven weeks.


Weekly salary: $ 36 566
Role: regular starter
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DMI: 640900
Age: 23
Height: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potential: superstar
Game Shape: proficient
Jump Shot: wondrous Jump Range: sensational
Outside Def.: stupendous Handling: marvelous
Driving: prodigious Passing: proficient
Inside Shot: prominent Inside Def.: proficient
Rebounding: pitiful Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: mediocre

Experience: inept
David Thomas (27253055) Shooting Guard

Weekly salary: $ 35 016
Role: rotation player
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DMI: 560200
Age: 24
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: superstar
Game Shape: proficient
Jump Shot: wondrous ↑ Jump Range: sensational
Outside Def.: stupendous Handling: wondrous
Driving: prodigious Passing: proficient
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: proficient
Rebounding: pitiful Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: inept Free Throw: inept

Experience: mediocre

They aren't amazing trainees/builds but they are maximizing a lower potential for sure. They also weren't amazing trainees as rookies but by utilizing elastic effects and having similar builds I was able to slingshot them into pretty decent guards. To me, a perfect trainee starts with high OD and JR. Those are the pain skills. Passing can be atrocious for all I care. You have to quantify skills in weeks to pop. A 6/7/7/5/5/2 trainee is better than 6/5/5/5/5/7. You save a few weeks in training on the back end and possibly more by immediate dividends from elastic links.

Is lvl4 trainer advanced or superior?

advanced

So do u train driving and handling up b4 u do OD , JR, and PA

From what i have seen, high handling will bring up OD a little bit faster but not anywhere near as fast as passing.

So i always try to keep my handling little higher than my OD for that reason.

I think high JS would help bring up JR some what.

To me, if you control the player's position than you can control the player's price.

for example - if you want to turn a player into a PG, just train passing than you can train forward JS or one position JR.
(if you want to save on salary)

The reason for forward jump shoot is because it does not train handling or driving which a PG has to pay for - instead it trains outside shoot. (information taken from coach parrot)

I just bought a $70k to 80k PG last week, if i train guard jump shoot it cost me $1500 every time i train it but if i train forward jump shoot it cost me $500 every time i train it.

The only bad thing about it is, guard jump shoot trains a little bit faster than forward jump shoot.

jump shoot cost PG 3% of his salary - SG 13% - SF 18% - PF 8% - C $0 (these estimates might be out dated - but there probably not to far off.)

I found this information on a web site last year, which give you an idea what it cost to train.
(might be out dated some what)

Salary
PG - JR 3% - JR 5% - OD 8% - HA 8% - DR 4% - PA 16% - IS 0 - ID 0 - RB 4% - SB 0

SG - JR 13% - JR 15% - OD 13% - HA 0 - DR 0 - PA 0 - IS 0 - ID 0 - RB 7% - SB 0

SF JR 18% - JR 9% - OD 13% - HA 0 - DR 0 - PA 0 - IS 0 - ID 0 - RB 7% - SB 0

PF - JR 8% - JR 0 - OD 0 - HA 0 - DR 0 - PA 0 - IS 12% - ID 12% - RB 12% - SB 6 %

C - JS 0 - JR 0 - OD 0 - HA 0 - DR 0 - PA 0 - IS 14% - ID 14% - RB 13% - SB 7%


Unfortunately for me i can't take advantage of that strategy all the time because i do 2 position training on all skills and i have 5 to 6 trainees.


Last edited by vdog at 9/16/2014 5:46:00 PM

So do u train driving and handling up b4 u do OD , JR, and PA

Yes. I dont think JS is really linked to anything in regards to elastic effect. You dont want to go to high before going back and training other skills though. You end up stretching that rubber band out too far and it will really slow down the training. When starting out with a trainee, take handling (I prefer one on one forwards for the IS) to prolific or sensational, then move on to OD or JR to the same skill, then bring passing up last (age 20 or 21, it still pops at around .8 or so). At this point, you can decide what position you are building for. It really works for any position, just dont continue as high for certain skills for SF or PF.

Take my first trainee listed. I think he had 49 or 50 skill points to start. Not elite but they were in the right places. If he had more potential, given his age, it would be conceivable to hit 130 skills points by age 27 (he should pop JS and IS both in the next few weeks along with DR and HA before season's end). I will try for one more pop in IS to get him to sensational since it counts very little against his cap. I also know through OD training that he is probably around halfway through his sub to pop in ID, so I will probably pop that and then try another round of elastic training on passing until he caps. I think that would be wondrous but I dont know his cap sublevel of potential 8 so its a wild guess there. However, even with Superstar potential, he should finish with 120 skill points at the end of age 24 or early age 25. This isn't overly elite since he wasnt a primo trainee to begin with and 3/4 of his training was done with a level 4 trainer (I have had a level 5 for about a season and a half now but I am not exactly sure why), but they will be pretty nice guards in the end considering the price paid.

edit - Not claiming to be an absolute expert on training or elastic effect. These are my own experiences. There are posts and guys on the offsite that know a lot more about it than me.

Last edited by Yuck at 9/16/2014 7:33:26 PM

I just did a experiment on coach parrot.

I ran training for 2 6 foot 21 years with the exactly the same skills except JS.
(everything else was the same including 7 JR)

I did 18 straight training one pos JR.

A
20 / 7 / 11 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 2 / 7 / 2 / 5
B
10 / 7 / 11 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 2 / 7 / 2 / 5

A. ended up with 21 JS and 15 JR

B. ended up with 13 JS and 14 JR

so it seems to me that JS is pushing up JR.

IF there was no elastic effect on JR than they both would have ended with the same JR


Than i did
A. 20 JS - DR 20 - HA 12 = 21 JS and 18 JR

B. 10 JS - DR 20 - HA 12 = 14 JS and 16 JR

than i did
A. 20 JS - 20 HA - DR 12 = 21 JS and 18 JR

B. 10 JS - 20 HA - DR 12 = 14 JS and 16 JR

than i did
A. 20 JS - DR 20 - HA 20 = 21 JS and 19 JR

B. 10 JS - DR 20 - HA 20 = 15 JS and 18 JR

These numbers state to me not only does JS push up JR so does HA and DR

But than again maybe coach parrot is wrong, so who knows.

I don't know much about coach parrot and how extensive of a research database it has. The sampling for rhyminsimon's training simulator is really accurate though. At least for classic sizes training in primary positions.

I think Josef Ka made coach parrot and i heard he has a pretty good reputation on buzzer beater.

I used rhyminison training simulator last year and it did not work right. (too many bugs)

If i remember right - one error was i input 2 pos inside def and and it would never update inside shoot not matter how many times i trained it.

another error was i input a guy with 7 driving and it down graded him to 5 and started training him from 5 instead of 7.

So that's the reason i use coach parrot.

But i am not sure any program could predict training with a 100% success rate.