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249970.20 in reply to 249970.15
Date: 10/20/2013 7:05:09 AM
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Here's the build I came up with, this is using a level 4 trainer, assuming starting values .5 and .0 in ID(since he got a pop last week). Training including 27th year. I'll email you the training regimen if you want.

11/4
8/7
8/8
17/17
16/16

280k salary and not so horrible secondary skills. Maximum free JS(close C and PF salaries)

Now, you completely ignored my point and went raging about how bad this player is, twisting the facts into your advantage. I never disagreed, he's bad and not worth of training for most of the managers(later on who would train him). There are far better options. I understand what you mean under "fools gold". Advanced age, low TSP, huge potential which can never be reached in an efficient manner. Does he fall under that category? Yes.

But let's take a second look now. Among these useless players, there must be some gems right? I say this guy is it. Compared to other "fools gold" players, he's way better. Why?

-Fixable holes. If he had let's say atrocious OD, he would be a lost cause. But his holes are HN,DR and passing, which can be trained much more faster
-Good JS. As you saw in my simulation, even at monstrous 280k salary he still has maximized JS(close C and PF salaries), which all came from a bit of 1v1 training
-Good height. Since he had (hypothetical) 8.5 seasons of mostly primary skills training, it's an important factor here. Let's see the results of the same training regimen, using a 6'8 height

10/4
8/7
7/8
15/16
15/15

190k salary, more training would be required to reach the previous values, and that's 28/29th year...

Basically, I was trying to show that he's better than the other "fools gold" players. If your elite trainees are being sold for millions, and these fools good trainees are being sold for thousands, he would be quite a pick up. Symbolic price + cheap trainer.

Would I do it? No, but you know who would? heheh your archnemesis, the micronation tanking multiaccount farm blah blah team


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249970.22 in reply to 249970.21
Date: 10/20/2013 12:30:44 PM
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No problem I'll send you the training regimen in rhyanminson's simulator, give me your email address. I don't know how to upload files.

It's done using a level 4 trainer, minimal costs. I'm just trying to prove that he's surprisingly good, considering his low TSP and advanced age.

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249970.24 in reply to 249970.23
Date: 10/21/2013 5:55:26 AM
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I don't know a quick way to upload files

14w, 1v1F(whatever is left of it this year)
9w passing,
5w pressure
22w IS
18w ID
20w SB
36w REB

You'll have to set the sheet yourself. Take a level 4 trainer and .5 starting values, except .0 in ID

Last edited by Aleksandar at 10/21/2013 6:07:02 AM

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249970.26 in reply to 249970.24
Date: 10/21/2013 6:27:49 AM
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Now back on (relevant) topic. I got an 19y MVP with my scrub team. Not so horrible starting skills, but he wasn't trainable because of the awkward skillset, atrocious JR coupled with 6'8 height. Because of the JR he couldn't be a PF, because of height he couldn't be a center. If he had 7+ height he could be trained in primary skills much better(since I'm talking about a 7-8 seasons of training).

Now that guy was a fools gold. So this was a lot of theoretic discussion from my side. In reality, I wouldn't train either of them. I'm currently training two allstar guys trying to make them universal(SF) 30k players. I'm also training that MVP, but I'll just stack him with secondary skills and he'll reach maybe 40k salary. But in theory, the OP's trainee is surprisingly good for training, and that's what I was trying to point out.

The thing I'm preaching here, is that generally, TSP could be deceiving. People should take a second look when evaluating trainees. Sometimes a trainee could look worse than the other, at fist glance, but is better when you run them through a simulation.

Something like people who say that high level trainers are useless. In a short span, sure, but take a NT prospect, he's going to be trained for 8 seasons maybe, it makes a massive difference in that case. I'm currently using a level 3, since I don't have high pot trainers. I wouldn't even pay a level 4 at this point. But if I ever draft a future NT star, I'm jumping to get a level 7, no matter the cost.

Last edited by Aleksandar at 10/21/2013 6:31:13 AM

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249970.27 in reply to 249970.26
Date: 10/21/2013 4:40:56 PM
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It's easier for you to get a level 7 trainer, because you make more money, in an easier situation :) I've heard of level 7 trainers going for 1 mil+, so it might be tough, especially if they have a low salary or come with a specialty. Good luck.

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249970.28 in reply to 249970.27
Date: 10/21/2013 5:34:06 PM
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I'm aiming for it, but who knows. I would like to draft a an MVP+ with 5 ball starting skills and eventually train him to be a star of my NT. It will be a long process though, so maybe I give up. I've spent my first season collecting cash and improving the arena. This season, I bought a couple of players just to reach the salary floor, and continued upgrading the arena. From the next season, I think I'll be able to start investing 40k(I'm currently at 10k and saving up points). Then I'll just scout every second season until I nab that 5/5. As you can see, very long term plan :) I'll probably give up at some point, but with some luck, I may succeed!

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249970.30 in reply to 249970.29
Date: 10/25/2013 2:18:13 PM
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I'm not that interested in training, I just want one uber trainee, so I can make him my long term project. I believe it would help keeping me attached to this game for a long time.