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Tell you what, if Poland wins the Gold in S18 I will gladly eat crow

May the Force be with You! ;-)

Maybe you didn't read my last post in the general BB thread where I congratulated Poland, but I understand your childish desire to bring up an old topic and rub it in my face. I would do the same thing in your position...no wait I wouldn't because winning is supposed to speak for itself. I still don't believe you would've won in S16 without HCA, because this team is different from that team and Chile was the most talented team in S16, but certainly this championship makes your argument a very strong one and I was wrong. I do apologize for singling you guys out as far as my argument that HCA should not be a factor in the Worlds, something that I still very strongly believe. Congrats again, and good luck in the future. Also congrats to that Polish D4 farm team who held on to Wisneiwski's 400k salary and kept him in 9 GS all season, give that manager a trophy, the guy is a beast and single handedly won several of your games for you. We need a player like that in the US

Last edited by jfarb at 2/6/2012 4:36:04 PM

I wished You Light Side, not Dark Side ;-)

Haha, your a good guy King, I don't even think I should be the one you are arguing with. I think wozz and I did Poland a favor by arguing that no one should have HCA in the Worlds when we did, because obviously we got through to someone and the S17 U21 and this season's Worlds no one (good) had it. Imagine if they had given HCA to a decent team like France or China or whoever in the Worlds this season, would you guys be happy with a silver knowing that you had the best team in S18? We saw what happened with CR in S17 Europe so I think my point about HCA in the Worlds is a valid one.

Still Dark Side is speaking through You ;-)

I think it is a favor for USA as well, because USA had HCA in past so we all know, that USA (as Poland), wouldn't get HCA (at least early) ;-) So it's better for USA if nobody has HCA.
For me HCA in WC for other countries isn't problem. We did it with HCA, without HCA, now it will be great adventure to try against HCA ;-)

Mistake was made at beginning - when USA get first HCA in first WC in BB. Then You should complain ;-)
The most fair solution would be if every country would get HCA once, and then HCA should be removed forever. It isn't perfect solution, because perfect solution doesn't exist.

I wrote my statement about HCA few times so there is no reason to repeat this whole discussion.
But I saw few thing in Your post, which should be precised:
- France and China had HCA in past, they made gold and silver (France in U21 competitions). It would make more damages if few countries would have HCA twice, whilst other never had.
- European Championships are harder than World Championships, so they shouldn't be compared.

If you want to hold HCA in Season 6 against us go ahead. You continue to bring up the past, as if what happened in the past or who had it in the past should effect how HCA should be given in the future. That does not matter to me.

The argument is that in the future, no one should have HCA in the WC. That is the argument we made. It was a valid argument. Obviously it got through to one of the BB's. Though we are not yet talented enough at the NT level for it to matter much to us, I am very glad we made that argument. We won a U21 Worlds gold in a very fun and competitive Worlds in S17 in which Senegal had HCA.

If you want the challenge of trying to beat someone with HCA in the Worlds go ahead and make that argument in the suggestions thread and maybe the BB's will start giving HCA to Worlds teams again. For me the S16 Worlds was the most uninteresting and pointless Worlds there has ever been, and I think most anyone outside of Poland would agree.

One thing is for sure, I think we are permanently on opposite sides of this issue and I don't see any point in digging up old topics and arguing about it any further, it is obvious we aren't going to convince each other.

Removing HCA is good for USA (and few other countries which had HCA in past). But it isn't fair for all other countries which never had HCA.

It looks like You didn't read my statements. It is: HCA should never exist in WC.
But fact is that it existed in past. And past has impact on future.
So if I have to choose between two imperfect things I prefer to play against HCA in future than to read complains and all post with negative emotions from managers like You ;-)

Again, if you think our argument was a bad one, then make a thread in the suggestions folder. I disagree on the idea that if mistakes were made in the past that we should continue to make them in the future.

There was a problem, we offered a good solution in the suggestions thread, the BB's thought it was a good suggestion. You took the suggestion personally as an attack against the validity of your championship in Season 16. I understand why you would take it personally, because we used Poland as an example to make the argument. I apologized for that twice in this thread.

Lol I don't care about how you feel about me personally or the emotions you get from reading text in a thread on a forum. If you are offended then I think you need to think about why it is you are offended. We have a disagreement about an online game in a thread, thats all.

Edit: As a mod I am supposed to lock old threads when people dig up old topics, and if people start taking things personally. As this thread directly involves me, I thought it would be poor form for me to lock it. So King if you would like to get in the last word (as long as its classy), go ahead and do so, after which time I will lock it, and if you wish we can continue the discussion on another thread in a different forum.

Last edited by jfarb at 2/6/2012 6:18:21 PM

K that wasn't what I meant by classy. Sorry things apparently got so personal.