BuzzerBeater Forums

that's my player:

9 - 8
13 - 12
13 - 11
14 - 15
9 - 11

23 yo, he will have pops in JS, IS and 1vs1

Nachtmahr>

I like the research you have completed into skills. However, I do have to point out some things.

If you watch BB games, you will sometimes see the worst player offensive player end up taking shots.

Based on 7 seasons where a player has played at least 500 minutes on my team:


Offense:

The worst offensive player averages 20% and shoots 10 shots per 48.
The best offensive players averages 50-60% shooting and 30 shots per 48.

So even if he is a horrible player he will still take some shots.

Effect of JR:
The effect of JR is apparent on my trainees. Two of my trainees have 8 JR, while the third as 3. All have 12 JS. In over 4000 minutes of analysis, the player with better JR will shoot more assisted jump shots. They will also shoot more assisted/contested 3 point shots.
The player who is more aggressive will shoot more shots and miss more often. (aggression by how often they foul)
The less aggressive shooter will take less shots but make them more often.

So in effect, low JR does not make a shooter terrible. It will make him shoot less often when assisted, while shooting a lower percentage, especially from 3 point range. Also at 3 point range, they will take less contested shots as well.

Defense:
Generally good or bad a defender will contest around 10 shots per 48. Generally centers will contest the most shots. Good defenders might contest closer to 9 shots/48 while poor defenders will generally contest around 11 shots/48. The sign of a good defender is the percentage of shots made. A good defender will give up around 15% whereas a bad defender may give up 40%.


So what does this data tell me? Every position is important. You want players that can play defense in general at every position. However, good offense can be centralized to a few key players. However, bad shooters will still take shots. So even guys you don't want shooting all that often may lose you a game if they decide to take more shots than normal.

Therefore balance is ultimately better and is why players who are balanced generally are rated higher after the game.

Secondly, a player who is a good outside shooter does not have to be a good inside shooter and vice versa. Although a player is going to take his shots, he will in general take the shots he is best at making.

Nice looking player. Mine is a little bit more outside oriented due to training a 19 year old guard right now too, but I think yours and mine look pretty similar (Although My dude is just SS pot.).

22 yrs, SS, 198cm

11-7
14-14
15-12
10-11
5-8

I've got a young Sf trainee and since i started training him i read nearly all threads about Sfs.
They are all really great players but i feel some of them have low Fg% for a player you invest a lot of time.

So if i want an offensive Sf instead of a perfect balanced one.How much should be the lowest possible Od and ID.
And highest possible JS, IS even JR.

My trainee is 20yo, 6'5" , mvp
11-5
10-10
12-7
9-10
7-6

Really nice player-he is already good perimeter defender and driver, now just to make him great attacker.

What are your training plans? JS and IS or U ll go with ID first?

This is my SF trainee, 21 yo 198 cm MVP

9 4
12 3
6 6
14 13
8 4

IS until end of season, and ID-IS next season (because of other trainees). then OD until 17. My plan is to make a super SF like this

16 5
17 14
17 12
18 16
8 5

Is this a good plan? any advice? thanks :D

I've got a young Sf trainee and since i started training him i read nearly all threads about Sfs.
They are all really great players but i feel some of them have low Fg% for a player you invest a lot of time.

So if i want an offensive Sf instead of a perfect balanced one.How much should be the lowest possible Od and ID.
And highest possible JS, IS even JR.

My trainee is 20yo, 6'5" , mvp
11-5
10-10
12-7
9-10
7-6

I would give a pure "pain in the ass" scoring smallforward a MAXIMUM of ~13-14 OD and 11-12 ID and push JS-JR-IS like crazy. A player like that is perfect if you plan to attack your opponents with different strategies. The problem is that you need a Hall of Famer potential to get JS and JR to +17 imho. If you do that "only" with a MVP he will cap at ~15-16 in JS/JR and you are not using the full potential of all the other skills. (Passing, Rebounding, Blocking)

Despite seeing the point of Nachtmahr, that it can be an advantag to have a specialist with 3 maxed out skills, I am a big believer of well balanced builds. Especially at the SF position.
I am training my 3 SFs (2 actually, one already reached his cap last season) for 9 seasons now and over the course of their career I found out, that opponents had trouble matching them up, although their players had 3-5x times the salary of my trainees. The reason is that they often had one or more big weakness which were exploited by my trainees.
The only "difficulty" that occurs by training well balanced SFs is the huge amount of "out of position training". I used the word "difficulty" because many refer to it as a "problem". I do not see it that way.

1. Good scouting is essential.
2. If you have to train your SF at center find out which offensive strategy works best for him. If you have to train him at PG do the same.
3. Furthermore make sure your other players complement them. (offensively AND defensively)

That is just my experience with SF training. Others surely will oppose and that is fine. There are many ways to be happy. :) If you have further questions feel free to ask.



Last edited by m0nkey at 6/10/2014 7:44:16 AM

Thanks a lot for answer.As you said my initial plan was being flexible with offensive strats.
But now i see it's kinda hard to achieve with mvp potential.I might end up having a good for nothing Sf.
So i should probobly go with a balanced Sf with little tweaks maybe.Like adding 1-2 IS or Jr instead of D's.