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I will be honest here. I didn't read both of your posts with great attention.

I'll be honest myself, I don't think you ever do. I read yours though. I read every post I reply to. I feel its more respectful that way.

Many people accused Utopia to have had a bad effect on the market prices. I let those people imagine what 1000 teams with economy from D1/D2 would have done to the market prices instead of mostly teams in D3 and D4.

I'll let you imagine what you want. You've no idea what that would have done, and you can't imagine it would be the same as utopia, similar to it, or completely different. Or even how many users would have bought a new team under those circumstances, because it didn't happen.

Now I think this thread is about Salary floor, not Utopia.

As I said, I read your posts, and you often do this. State your case and attempt to make it the last word by blocking replies by insinuating you'll delete anything off topic that follows. I recommend if you do that, then you go through this thread and delete everything slightly off topic, and then go through every other thread on here and do the same. Otherwise I'll just continue to regard it as another attempt to close down something you don't like.

Overall, Utopia ended up exceeding our expectations and for the most part it has been quite well received.

That's your opinion, and you have a right to it, but that doesn't mean it's factual.

With regards to the Utopia decision your judgement seems to be clouded by a strong bias

I have already admitted to this so well done for noticing.

you're retroactively trying to make it seem like that was by far the superior and most desired option

Nonsense. I'm retroactively stating that that is what I believe. You can believe differently but that doesn't make me wrong, or as you imply, that I'm altering facts. (Saying make it seem implies I'm lying. That is a very disappointing slur. I might be wrong, but I say what I believe. If you don't believe that, then why ask me to believe you're sincere?)

Regardless, as Perpete is getting at, the change was made and there's no point having a big debate about the issue now.

And from your earlier post in this thread:

The BB staff has been mostly stagnant on the micro-nation issue for a while now, but there have been some recent pushes to get something done on that front. Just so people don't freak out, it should be known that nothing will change without first receiving massive amounts of feedback from the BB community, and specifically the micro-nation communities.

You brought that up, not me. Are you reading this Perpete? I know he's not, so perhaps you BB-Ryan could point out to our non reading EGM that you were the one who took us off topic, thereby allowing me surely to respond. I chose Utopia as the highest profile attempt to get massive amounts of feedback from the community, and one where I honestly believe the community was ignored.

I don't honestly remember the community being consulted about much else but I'm sure you and Perpete can refresh my memory. Well if someone asks Perpete for me.

Unlike you I've tried not to snip huge great chunks out of what you say, and just pick out little soundbites you can attack.

Or perhaps like Perpete you didn't read the whole thing. It wouldn't surprise me, I'm more surprised you actually replied to me this time.

I don't know if you're having a bad day or you've got an axe to grind, but the negativity and hostility isn't necessary.

An opposite opinion is not by definition hostile. But yes, I admit when I'm told I'm off topic for responding to something said by a BB, then yes, I can sometimes be hostile.

I'm going to follow your example but just snipping the rest of what you said as it really doesn't alter anything I've said already. I'm not really sure if you haven't read what I said, or didn't understand it, because the quote you use:

You brought that up, not me.

is so badly edited simply so you can repeat the very thing I've already replied to.

I really do believe the intention of the staff here is to quash opinions that don't fit with theirs, by labelling those who post as negative or hostile. And of course, the fallback position of being off topic, when its often the staff who start to go off topic, as in this case. Not to mention the dismissive notion that its the same few voices saying the same things when it clearly isn't.

One thing I'd like to make clear. I don't post here out of malice. I don't waste my time on games that I dislike. I've played for a long time, I was an NT coach in England for many seasons, I've helped plenty of people in England in ways large and small, and I have many posts here that reek of positivity and calm. I'm not saying that because it should make you respect me or my view but it should be clear that I enjoy this game immensely, and if I post something negative, its because I care about where the game is, and where its going.

Also, if you have any other ideas on how to improve the situation for micronations, we're listening.

Stay tuned.

I hope some reasonable measures will be found. Any progress in this area should be good.

On the other hand knowing BB and the tendency to always choose the worst compromise, I don't expect too much. Will eat crow though, if some revolutionary soltution is found.