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Well well well, if it isn't Naker again! Never seem happy do you! :P

haha well none of my players ever stay on my team long enough to win the MVP for this PL so I figure I might as well have some fun with appealing decisions :D

Yes +1 for Brak as he did it in less minutes also and you could also +1 him again for how much more efficient manner he did it in, but I'll let you off the hook and only give +1 to Brak

The only reason he was more efficient at scoring was because he was against a weaker player. Nica was against a stronger opponent so naturally his scoring percentage was lower. And anyway, Nica was a far superior shooter from the 3 point line (50% compared to 0%).

Certianly not +1 to Nica. Yes on average SF's get slightly more rebounding opportunities to SG's but you played a 3-2 Zone which realistically gives Nica some SF rebounding opportunities also. Nica also conceded as many as he got, where as Brak at least pulled down more then his opponent and in less minutes so if anything +1 to Brak again.

Wouldn't playing a 3-2 zone mean less opportunities for Nica to get rebounds??? And Maggots played Man to Man which means it provides more rebounds than a 3-2 zone. So his SF only got 9 rebounds in a defence and a position where is is easier to get rebounds, where as Nica got 5 rebounds in a defence and position where it is harder to get rebounds.

Nica took 25 shots and Brak 18? so wouldn't that mean Nica had the ball more often to shoot?

I wasn't saying that Brak got the ball more often than Nica, I was saying that on Maggots team Brak got the ball more often because he was up against a weak matchup and so was able to shoot often, however Nica only got the ball to shoot as a last resort and still managed to score almost the same number of points.

Another point is winning team, Nica was on the winning team and i like to rate that highly, but as you pointed out you had 4 guys scoring over 20 points, meaning was Nica's value really that high? you could have still won without him... Where as the Maggots only had Brak and Urwin keeping them in the game, they lose Brak and they had no hope, so realistically who had more value in that game?

So because Nica was on a team where everyone does well, and Brak was on a team where everyone did bad, Brak should get the vote over Nica? That's faulty logic :P Yes I could have still won without Nica, but that isn't really relevant, all Brak did was keep the scores closer, and all Nica did was make the scores further apart, so how is Brak more valuable than Nica? It's like putting the worst NBA player on a high school basketball team and putting Scottie Pippin on the old Chicago Bulls team and having the 2 teams play against each other, and then saying that the Chicago Bulls team would have won without Scottie, but the high school basketball team would have had no hope without the worst NBA player on their team. In this hypothetical, Scottie should still get the MVP vote over the NBA player on the high school basketball team.

If you aren't willing to put Nica as 2 points, would you at least consider putting Peixoto in as the 2 points or even replacing Nica and giving Peixoto the 1 point instead? Peixoto scored just as many points as Nica but shot with almost 70% efficiency! And in addition to this Peixoto got 21 rebounds!!! So I think Peixoto was superior to Nica.

Thanks again C-Cat :)

The only reason he was more efficient at scoring was because he was against a weaker player. Nica was against a stronger opponent so naturally his scoring percentage was lower. And anyway, Nica was a far superior shooter from the 3 point line (50% compared to 0%).

You played 3-2? Brak didn't have a direct opponent? If Nica shot so well from behind the arc it makes his 2pt shooting look even worse!

Wouldn't playing a 3-2 zone mean less opportunities for Nica to get rebounds??? And Maggots played Man to Man which means it provides more rebounds than a 3-2 zone. So his SF only got 9 rebounds in a defence and a position where is is easier to get rebounds, where as Nica got 5 rebounds in a defence and position where it is harder to get rebounds.

Yeah 3-2 means slightly less opportunities then Man to Man, but it evens up the rebound opportunities that a SF's and SG's get more which is the point i was making. Nica still didn't out rebound his opponent but Brak did, no matter what the tactics...

I wasn't saying that Brak got the ball more often than Nica, I was saying that on Maggots team Brak got the ball more often because he was up against a weak matchup and so was able to shoot often, however Nica only got the ball to shoot as a last resort and still managed to score almost the same number of points.

If he was the last resort with 25 attempts you obviously put up a lot of very late shots Brak did what he needed to do with the opportunities he got...

So because Nica was on a team where everyone does well, and Brak was on a team where everyone did bad, Brak should get the vote over Nica? That's faulty logic Yes I could have still won without Nica, but that isn't really relevant, all Brak did was keep the scores closer, and all Nica did was make the scores further apart, so how is Brak more valuable than Nica?

Is it the Most Valuable Player award or Best Stats award? Brak was on a team where everyone but him did bad, except him, so he was extremely valuable to his team, He kept the scores closer in a game that could have otherwise got very ugly. If you'd still have won without Nica how was he that valuable? Especially seeing as he was apparently the last resort for his limited 25 shot attempts?

It's like putting the worst NBA player on a high school basketball team and putting Scottie Pippin on the old Chicago Bulls team and having the 2 teams play against each other, and then saying that the Chicago Bulls team would have won without Scottie, but the high school basketball team would have had no hope without the worst NBA player on their team. In this hypothetical, Scottie should still get the MVP vote over the NBA player on the high school basketball team.

Lol you can use examples as outrageous as that for anything! Kevin Garnet won an MVP on a shit high school like Minnesota team, Hasn't got much on a quality Chicago Bulls like Boston team.

If you aren't willing to put Nica as 2 points, would you at least consider putting Peixoto in as the 2 points or even replacing Nica and giving Peixoto the 1 point instead? Peixoto scored just as many points as Nica but shot with almost 70% efficiency! And in addition to this Peixoto got 21 rebounds!!! So I think Peixoto was superior to Nica.

That's not what you appealed


I think the key here is, all this MVP stuff is opinion, this one was not a clear cut right or wrong answer and realistically it could just have easily gone either way depending on who you ask. If there is no clear error in judgment and its a a very close call like this one i will always back the guy who has put the time and effort in to do the voting as seems a little disrespectful to change it for something so minor.

haha no worries :)
Thanks anyway! :)

lol no worries mate

Your 1/2 so far, cya next week

we thought it was fairly tough mvps against us in our game vs slam

with 16 seconds to go it was a 2 point game and could have easily gone either way

we battled that 350k monster fairly well all night considering

in the end we missed the 3s and they hit the fts, such is life

but we only get 1 point from 6, seems harsh

xie and rad while playing in a 2-3 zone still kept slams sg and pg to a combined 5-22

silvian our c managed to hit 6-13 and pull 12 boards and a 13.5 rating while that monster tried to stop him

ludo not only scored 25 but he got to the line a lot drawing a ton of fouls on slam he also got 5 rebounds and 2 assists and steals

for sure zoump and macko played great, no argument there, but 2 point game with 16 seconds to go and we got points like in a blowout

but we dont think we would win the appeal so we will just let it ride

besides that great job iwen, we really like reading the write ups you, yoda and zyler do, brings the games to life

ok so i want the MVP voting to be consistent so i am going to lodge an MVP challenge for Bainsynator Plebs vs Hobos

i will post details later cause i have to go to work and am flat knacker today. may have time after work we will see... stay poised gentleman

lol. Llama hasn't even done the MVP's up for this round!

Yes I have silly

iFail

Also I'd like to make an appeal for the 2 points. While Hemasita Tripathi did play rather well, his defense was horrible. He conceded 42 points (22 being scored by my scrub 4k PF) and only prevented 11 out of 32 baskets. I believe Ng Ting Yu should receive the 2 MVP votes as he clearly played better in his 27 minutes, with +7 rebounds and only -5 points as opposed to Tripathi who played 45 minutes.

Last edited by Leeroy at 3/18/2011 9:25:36 PM

Bainsynators Plebs 65 - 101 Hobos

snzajder had 8-19, 18 pts, 3 rebs, 4 asts, 3 turnovers - 1 vote

ok so Leone had 8-13, 17 pts, 4 rebs, only 1 turnover, 3 steals and 3 blocks - no vote

even though Snzajder is my player i recokon that he did noweher near more that Leone to get a vote in what was a blowout match. therefore i request Leone get the 1 vote. if you are not satisfied with just looking at these stats Leone also kept his opponent to 5-15 in 48 mins

i am appealing this because if it was it was the other way round i would expect the votes to be all 3 to me not 2-1

C-Cat, do your thing

either way i win. i win appeal or snzajder gets the votes

Last edited by MrGoodKat at 3/19/2011 2:15:37 AM

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