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312962.14 in reply to 312962.9
Date: 01/12/2022 19:30:25
Croissant
Serie A
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Second Team:
the Rick-counters of the Rick Kind
In all honesty it's quite difficult to make a whole forum more active, I mean even if I'd open multiple threads talking about the game engine or the training or the tactics to use etc.. It's hardly going to get the forum more active, imho what you need is two or more manager that don't think alike, that don't share the same vision about the game, something that get people fired up, something (or someone) controversial.
This debate thread is probably the proof of what I mean, having someone different it just... generates interest, cause some of you might want to listen to me, some might want to tell me that I'm not welcome, some might want me to f off... whatever you're reason is, there will be different points of view hence why this will probably go down as one of the debate threads with the most messages.

I think all i can do is show them the possible ways you can play this game; some might find the training aspect more fascinating and would like to train as many players as possibile, some might enjoy the psychological aspect behind tactics and gdp and might want to get to the top and compete with the best managers, there's more than a way you can play this game, and it would be my mission not only to help your u21 develop but the whole community.

It would be rude not to bring something typical, prosciutti, salami and cheese as a starter, maybe a nice pasta, something like a Carbonara or an Amatriciana (aglio, olio e peperoncino for the vegans), glass of wine, obviously, though it would be nice for you to prepare a dessert, I haven't had a Lamington in quite some time ;)

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312962.15 in reply to 312962.10
Date: 01/12/2022 19:32:00
Croissant
Serie A
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Second Team:
the Rick-counters of the Rick Kind
In every season since i started in season 28 ive also kept an accurate MVP season count for managers as an extra to increase current players managers to join in the season. The list is available on the u21 team page (https://www.buzzerbeater.com/country/17/jnt/overview.aspx). This idea has been grabbed by several other NT managers

It was indeed a great and nice idea, I myself saw it on your forum and copied it

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312962.16 in reply to 312962.15
Date: 01/14/2022 09:35:10
Croissant
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the Rick-counters of the Rick Kind
Surely you have more questions, you can't be this boring ;) :P

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312962.17 in reply to 312962.16
Date: 01/14/2022 15:25:37
Wuhan Wastrels
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Question to the both of you:

What's your preferences for training plans? Do you prefer players have reasonable secondaries or do you prefer that managers focus on primaries regardless of salary impacts (if theyre willing)??

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312962.18 in reply to 312962.17
Date: 01/15/2022 08:58:15
rimmers
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Redbacks
I like secondaries and salary efficiency, but at some point I need to advise for high primaries to do the u21 job properly. I've been following up on high potential u21 yr olds after their u21 campaign to advise for secondaries at 22-23yrs to catch them up a bit where primaries might have had more attention at 21yrs. This way players can have the best of both worlds- u21 and secondaries/ salary efficiency. Above all though I'm happy to suggest both options to owners, get a gauge on what the manager wants and go from there.

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312962.19 in reply to 312962.17
Date: 01/15/2022 09:27:23
Croissant
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Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
the Rick-counters of the Rick Kind
Very interesting question, unfortunately the u21 world is dominated by triskill bigman (Center with IS 17+ ID 17+ and RB 14+ that cost around 80-100k), so if i had to chose between a 17-17-14-10 (IS-ID-RB-SB) with no secondaries or a 15-15-12-8 with 10+ in JS-HN-DR and decent OD and PA, I would probably go with the first one
But simply cause with the enormous pool of players that Italy has, we were lucky enough to have the opportunity of "testing" both out, and the guy with more primaries was simply better.
Obviously things would change if i had a guy like Mastrodonato, who was 17-17-15-10 guy with 11 JS and 11 DR, although we had Padula and Stefanelli with more inside skills, Mastrodonato was a nailed on starter every time he was in decent GS.

With this being said, I wouldn't force anything, I would layout to the manager multiple training plans, the pros and cons of each one and I would let him decide what path he'd like to take

On exterior players (PG and SG) you don't have this problem since my players rarely have huge salaries, and it's easier for them to be balanced since 1on1 provides a good amount of IS training