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249862.14 in reply to 249862.13
Date: 10/10/2013 2:09:38 PM
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I think all we need to do to understand my point is look at your SG position in those four games. 37, 39, 39 and 39 minutes, in games that you're specifically picking to show that the stamina isn't causing players to be overplayed - and at least two of those four you had a SG that rated nearly as good backing him up. My goal is to always ensure that my players have little enough stamina that they stay under 36 minutes whenever possible - unfortunately, there's no way to get guys to drop stamina effectively enough in the game for my taste. ;)

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249862.15 in reply to 249862.14
Date: 10/10/2013 2:23:07 PM
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Maybe if you tried to have your sub player in the reserve spot too? Just a thought, it may be silly, I've never tried it.

IMHO, to get the 36-12 balance of minutes quality matters more than stamina. That's why I said you need a 10 player roster. If your sub is not a scrub it's very likely to be somewhere around there. For my games, rating doesn't reveal everything: As we all know, a player's rating decreases as he spends more time on court. 12.0 for a 9 minute performance compared to 13.0 for a 39 minute performance doesn't mean that players are that close. If the minutes were the other way around the rating would be 10.0 for the sub and 15.0 for the starter.

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249862.16 in reply to 249862.15
Date: 10/10/2013 4:54:56 PM
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Maybe if you tried to have your sub player in the reserve spot too? Just a thought, it may be silly, I've never tried it.

IMHO, to get the 36-12 balance of minutes quality matters more than stamina. That's why I said you need a 10 player roster. If your sub is not a scrub it's very likely to be somewhere around there. For my games, rating doesn't reveal everything: As we all know, a player's rating decreases as he spends more time on court. 12.0 for a 9 minute performance compared to 13.0 for a 39 minute performance doesn't mean that players are that close. If the minutes were the other way around the rating would be 10.0 for the sub and 15.0 for the starter.


Which is why I made extra certain to point out earlier that I had two players who were mostly identical, both with 7+ stamina, and whichever one started would always be around 40+ minutes. I had the backup as the reserve also. And this was before I was running a slow offense that rarely turns the ball over and therefore doesn't make it that much harder to get substitutes into the game.

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249862.17 in reply to 249862.16
Date: 10/10/2013 5:06:04 PM
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I don't get the last part. Slow tempo tires players much less than high tempo. Try PTB and you'll see much more subs than Patient or Princeton that you're running lately.

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249862.18 in reply to 249862.17
Date: 10/10/2013 5:21:38 PM
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I don't get the last part. Slow tempo tires players much less than high tempo. Try PTB and you'll see much more subs than Patient or Princeton that you're running lately.


Right - I was saying that my experiences with guys not subbing out was back when I was running mostly LI. Princeton doesn't tire players out, and since my games often have very long stretches where the ball doesn't go out of bounds (other than the rebound out of bounds event, which doesn't allow subs) or have a foul called, substitutions are exceptionally rare.

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249862.19 in reply to 249862.18
Date: 10/10/2013 9:15:02 PM
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Agree with whoever said use the backup in reserve slot as well. Can make a couple minutes difference.

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A closer to 36+ minutes

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A closer to 32 minutes

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249862.21 in reply to 249862.20
Date: 10/11/2013 5:29:08 AM
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Yes, but it's in Greek, I have to translate it after I ask permission from the author.

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249862.22 in reply to 249862.20
Date: 10/11/2013 6:49:12 AM
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My players with 7+ stamina are much more often GS 9 on Fridays following a week with more than 65 minutes. Without a doubt.

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249862.24 in reply to 249862.23
Date: 10/11/2013 10:11:52 AM
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As long as i dont see a proof for this assumption i am not going to believe it.
The empirical data from my team hints to some hidden attribute for players as my 22yo trainee seems to like 70 to 80 min for going up in GS and almost always goes down with 50 to 60 min but his stamina is only at 4.
My stamina 8 player on the other hand does not like playing more than 70 min.

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