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yeh man, no doubt Lebron is more powerful and stronger than MJ ever was, but thats the evolving nature of the game i guess and can only base their talents and skills on the current crop of players around them.
I guess you could say that Lebron is a perfect speciment of what a Basketball player should be built like, Fast, strong, powerful and agile. He is Mr. Perfect and can play 1 to 5 hahah.
jw

You spout lies!

Jordan brought the NBA to the world. I ask all my non basketball friends and work mates. They all know who MJ is, they have not even heard of the name Lebron in their entire life... nor do they know Kobe. Right about now even Kobe has earnt more accolades then Lebron. However in a decade time we will see Lebron stands, but I can guarantee you it won;t be above Jordan.

Being the best is not just about being able to defend all positions or about who has better offense, its about everything...
on the court and off the court...

Lebron
2× NBA Most Valuable Player: 2009, 2010
NBA Rookie of the Year: 2004
NBA Scoring Champion: 2008
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2006, 2008
7× NBA All-Star: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
7× All-NBA:
First Team: 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
Second Team: 2005, 2007
3× NBA All-Defensive:
First Team: 2009, 2010, 2011

Jordan
Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6-time NBA champion: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998 (all with Chicago Bulls)
6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998
5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998[1][2]
10-time scoring champion: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998[3]
3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993
3-time minutes leader: 1987, 1988, 1989
14-time NBA All-Star: 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2003[4]
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998[5]
6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998[6]
1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88[7]
11-time All-NBA selection:
First team: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998[8][9]
Second team: 1985[8][9]
9-time All-Defensive selection:
First team: 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998[10][11]
NBA All-Rookie selection:
First team: 1985[12][13]
NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985[14]
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987, 1988[15]
Runner-up in 1985

there's also 1 thing Kobe or Lebron will never beat MJ in and it is the fact that Michael Jordan never lost an NBA Finals Series. Kobe has lost 2 and Lebron has lost 1.
jw

Don't get me wrong because Jordan has always been my idol. In my early days of high school, I wanted to be black so I could "be like Mike".

Something occurred to me several years ago... I was watching a few Bruce Lee films and, after years and years of everyone using Bruce Lee as a synonym with "amazing fighter" or something like that, I realised that it was all just media hype. The movies are terrible. I've done lots of different forms of martial arts and, sure, he may be good but I've seen so much better from even people who have trained me.

There is no doubt that he brought NBA to the world, but this isn't necessarily just him. It's a media campaign, to make money. I'm not saying that he's wasn't amazing, but I know what media hype and "time passed" can do. It can create legends out of great people.

Anyone want to know how mature I am?

Look at the number of posts I made last thread...

I think it is all generational, if it wasn't for these pioneers would Basketball be what it is today if it wasn't for Michael Jordan single handedly changing the way the game was played? Guys like Lebron and Kobe grew up watching and idolising MJ as well, so in a way you can say MJ helped shape the game to what it is today. Who would know if Lebron would be as dominate and as good if he never had an MJ to idolise on his walls and try to be like Mike as well, who knows if he would've even picked up a basketball.
I think MJ had changed the game so much that people see the greatness in what he has done.
jw

LOL Bruce Lee was a legend too.. it was he who created and brought his style of fighting to the world...
He also learnt from renowned masters himself and it takes a lot of discipline to learn what he does.

These days MMA is great too, you put the likes of GSP in the cage with Bruce Lee and GSP will prolly come out on top cos fighting has been revolutionized. Its like with anything... as time passes.. technology, understanding and technique all get improved..

But what makes Bruce Lee and MJ so great is that they brought their respective abilities to the world.. of course with the help of some hungry money making corporations.. still that should not discredit the hard yards they put in beforehand.

Long day at work.... At the moment I just hate everyone! Hate, angry, tired and hungry! I really hate dealing with stupid people. I don't know why I am writing this but it does relieve some stress.

Last edited by datzilla at 6/2/2011 3:51:31 AM

Is Lebron better than Jordan?

No.

Case closed. End of story. Move along, nothing more to see here.

I think it is all generational, if it wasn't for these pioneers would Basketball be what it is today if it wasn't for Michael Jordan single handedly changing the way the game was played? Guys like Lebron and Kobe grew up watching and idolising MJ as well, so in a way you can say MJ helped shape the game to what it is today. Who would know if Lebron would be as dominate and as good if he never had an MJ to idolise on his walls and try to be like Mike as well, who knows if he would've even picked up a basketball.
I think MJ had changed the game so much that people see the greatness in what he has done.
jw

Koops you made a similar point so I'll respond to you here too.

These are all extremely valid points and I understand completely. I don't (edit: I wrote "don't" twice) disagree but what about the question.....

If you were choosing an all-time dream team, who would you pick first?

Last edited by Axis123 at 6/2/2011 5:06:44 AM

There is a really funny video of Steven J Smith going crazy about Scottie Pippen suggesting Lebron may be better than MJ. I don't know if anyone watched as much of him as me but I remember deciding to follow the Bulls when MJ was young pre-Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant and had to watch Detroid smash us every year. I even subscribed to Pontel tapes so saw so so so many games while he was in his prime.

People forget what an amazing defender he was. One of the reasons for the Bulls great success was not just his scoring but the defence of the Bulls. Just like with Miami now, Chicago was an incredible scoring team. How do you think all those Jordan, Pippen and Harper fast breaks came about?

All NBA defender multiple times. Better than Lebron in his position but Lebron can guard a wider range of players, I would say very similar standard overall.

Best scorer ever with the possible exception of Wilt.

The one area where Lebron may win is in passing but don't forget if you have a choice to pass the ball to Dennis Rodman, Luc Longley or shoot it yourself it is quite different from passing to Chris Bosh or Udonis Haslem.