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Hi Wagner and all managers,

I noticed one scenerio:

imagine that 4teams will have 11-4 record (KKS, ED, RAJ, HB) which is perfectly possible :).

In that case we might check all games between us:
KKS won with ED
KKS won with HB
RAJ won with KKS
RAJ won with HB
ED won with RAJ
HB won with ED

So it might mean that:
RAJ will be #3 because have two wins and won with KKS which also has two wins
KKS will be #4
HB will be #5 because has one win and won with ED which also has one win
ED will be #6

It's little wierd because KKS might have better +/- than RAJ and:
ED might have better +/- than HB and ED won with possible #3 seed
ED even can have the best +/- out of our 4 :/

Life can be complicated :D

While some might be tempted to say I'm pretty good at making things complicated, one of the added reasons why I would prefer using "only all wins or losses against comparison group teams drop team out of equal amount of wins teams-comparison" additional rule is to simplify things.
(You wouldn't expect to hear this from me, would you?;)

You did open up the possible scenario well (by showing some teams within comparison group would have one, and some others two wins), however, as you well pointed out, it's not problem free scenario to solve it that way as teams might be ranked higher even if they've lost RS match to the lower ranked team. (To be fair, probably nothing is completely "fair" to all, it all depends on the way you look at it.).

So on the other hand, to explain a bit further why I'd prefer this interpretation of the rule (that I presented shortly in this, and with more detail in my earlier posts).
As said and as you well pointed out, there can be problematic scenarios in terms of ranking teams in "fair" order, if you only count wins within comparison group. (Again, it is in a way just as fair way as any depending on the way you look at things, so don't get me wrong).

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What I also mean by this is that maybe we all can agree that if team has won or lost all it's matches against comparison group (tied in wins-) teams, then they certainly deserve to be lifted above or dropped below other comparison group teams?

In other words, then we would decide even a bit inconclusive situations by comparing Regular Season +/- point differential (RS PD) as a next comparison method - but if someone has managed to wipe floor with other comparison group teams on this Regular Season, or lost to all of them during this RS, they would be lifted as best or dropped to last team of the comparison group, respectively.
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Last edited by Wagner at 12/4/2025 8:42:40 AM

Hello all HGL managers! League tables have just been updated after 14 Rounds of play, for example here: (328546.5)!
Very thrilling end of Regular Season number 3 is getting closer to an end, last round (Round 15) is being played in just 2 days!

As you can see, theoretically there could be 3-way or even 4-way tie situations (equal amount of wins-teams) after Regular Season.

As conversation about ranking teams in equal wins-situations has halted/taken break recently, to make it more clear and fair upfront before last Round (Round 15) has been played I wanted to let you guys know that I think we should use ranking system rule that I presented in previous posts, starting from this compilation message (here: (328546.113)), and finally ending to this post here: (328546.118), so total of 4 post from myself.

Also in post (328546.120) I've explained a bit further why this "only all wins or losses"-system has been selected.

Unless someone strongly opposes that decision, that is team ranking/classification system that we'll use for ranking teams after Regular Season on Season 3 (ORSR-rankings for Playoffs).

But please note there's not lots of time to solve this (before Round 15 takes place), so if you do oppose my "equal wins teams-rule proposition" presented in previous message, please give as strong basis as possible on why you'd like some other ranking system to be used.



********** Rule compilation: **********
In a very brief compilation, most important points of my aforementioned rule addition are, that:

1. in the case of 3 or more teams tied in wins-situations, Regular Season +/- point differential is not the first and foremost comparison method, but team reduction (reduction of compared teams that have similar number of wins in Regular Season) is first attempted by comparing how their Regular Season game results against comparison group teams have been this Season.

2. Please note, that only by winning all or losing all Regular Season games against all comparison group teams your team will be positioned higher or lower, than the rest of teams in that comparison group.

3. If still 3 or more teams remain in a comparison group (that haven't won or lost all matches against comparison group teams) after previously mentioned comparison (see "2."), then we will proceed next to comparing full Regular Season +/- point differential (RS PD).

4. However, if the comparison group can be reduced to two teams with this attempt (at stage "2.", see above), then these remaining two teams will be ranked based on their Regular Season match result (this Season, of course).

As you guys know, this is already existing comparison rule ("winner of Regular Season match will be ranked higher of two teams"-rule) and it is being applied at first place, and comparison is not made based on their full Regular Season +/- point differential (RS PD) if there are only two teams that remain to be compared with each other (after that reduction attempt, see "2." above).
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It is also a possibility, that if nobody objects this (rule proposition by me) by, say, 24 hours for now (original publication of this post), we will use this ranking method on Season 3 equal wins situations for 3 or more teams, and then, if many enough managers see it necessary to change current system, arrange a voting on how teams ought to be ranked in the future seasons (again, in 3 or more teams at tied wins-situations).

However, from my point of view, I personally see this as a best choice in a situation, in where perfect solution doesn't seem to exist.
(This is of course perfectly objectional - one could take any view/position really, and claim it's perfect solution, but personally I think perfect in every sense of the word hardly ever exists).

Last edited by Wagner at 12/6/2025 9:10:43 AM