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Well, back to square one again, after witnessing you chose Erol again to start instead of Farid or Mere (i'm just being fair, not sided to my player),,, Why? Erol and Mugianto both still young and inexperience, you're putting them to face those Aussies veteran? When watching the game, I've already putting a grin on myself, I know this rare heartbreak will happen and it just did. Chairil is a career 60% FT shooter, so it happens.

Erol is our best center in skills, thats the fact. I think you a bit overrate experience. Expereience is important, but not is high as you think.

If you play man to man, and outside shooting, the most important skills for bigmans--> inside defense, rebounding

Erol: 17+17=34

Farid: 14+18=32

Meire: 14+16=30

If we put experience in that that seems:

Erol: 17+17+4= 38

Farid: 14+18+8= 40

Meire: 14+16+7= 37

So it seems without experience Erol is the best, with experience Farid beat him. BUT: Inside defense is more important than rebounding, so this calculation isnt perfect. Plus there are some other skills which cares for example inside shot (important for center, erol is the best in this).

So its all about mathematics. Ive decided to start with Erol because: He has the best inside defense in the team (much better than Farid), hes rebounding is really good (only -1), hes inside shot is better too, he has the same game shape.

Mugianto is weaker than Erol (in rebs), but he has got much better inside defense than Farid, and better game shape, and these was more important.

But Farid and Meire was backups in this match.

I can't comment anymore on this, as we're playing NT just like we're playing U21, the highest GS will just play. And oh, to be more obvious, Dedi Erol has the lowest DMI among all the bigmen, and you still started him in favor of his highest defense.


I cant comment anymore on this. DMI DOES NOT CARE in this game NOBODY cares about it (you can ask our best managers on the Hungarian forums, or others in the Global forum), just the beginners. Game shape is the most important.



Btw i just dont understand you. Australia beat our inside defense (and not just a bit...) and you wanted me to play with the players who has much (3 levels!) weaker inside defense? What do you think, what happened in this match with lower inside defense? (experience doesnt make much higher inside defense, before you say that).

Mathemathically??? Hey man,, it is not like 5-6 level difference? And you said experience plays little? Did you see who were scoring when Aussie taking their first ever lead on 30seconds before game end? their PF. Seems you really a newbie or whatever,, haha,, man, i would use at least 50% of my veteran strength to fight with you,,, you still didn't know how did you fell apart on 4th quarter? It's because your inexperienced front court get owned by opponent. Whatever good is your prodigious ID, a Wondrous and experienced player just beat you like a piece of cake,,,

No no no, i didn't take DMI heavily,,, don't just use this case to fire back at me,, all i was pointing about the DMI is to the damn GAMESHAPE !!! did you know that higher GS usually have higher DMI?? HEY,, Farid, Mere and Erol all with Strong gameshape, Farid play reservers and Mere is a DNP,,, I don't need to ask your best manager on Hungary or whatever, because the most important I've already know from the start that you are just not the man coz you just relying on the information from those great manager,, not experience it by yourself !!

(experience doesnt make much higher inside defense, before you say that).

until the last 4minutes to end the game,,, sounds familiar huh? :) (*shake head)

Last edited by Nelleas(Timnas-Indo) at 10/17/2011 8:11:42 PM

ya ampunn... sumpah ini 2 orang ga bakal bisa akur sampai masa jabatan dia selesai. hahaha

@nelleas: kalo situ uda ngrasa ngerti semua, knapa ga lu aja yg dr awal maju jd coach? skrg uda ada orang yang mau malah lu komenin terus, ga ada mati2nya, anggepanya semua yg dia lakuin salah semua aja...

ya ampunn... sumpah ini 2 orang ga bakal bisa akur sampai masa jabatan dia selesai. hahaha

@nelleas: kalo situ uda ngrasa ngerti semua, knapa ga lu aja yg dr awal maju jd coach? skrg uda ada orang yang mau malah lu komenin terus, ga ada mati2nya, anggepanya semua yg dia lakuin salah semua aja...

iya brot,, kamu benar,, harus nya saya coba ambil alih sejak awal ,,, setidaknya pemain veteran akan saya mainin,,

You said we lost in the 45th quarter because our experienced player hasnt played. But what would be the score in the fourth if they would be starters? We hasnt been in the lead... I know the importance of experience in the end of the match (or in clutch shots), but i wont play the veterans for the whole match, if they are weaker than the others. And Erol has stupendous ID, not prodigious

Other for all:


As i see, we have to beat Hong Kong 6+ points in the final round, to grab the 2nd place. Not impossible, but very-very hard, but the Indonesian lions will fight till the end!

You said we lost in the 45th quarter because our experienced player hasnt played. But what would be the score in the fourth if they would be starters? We hasnt been in the lead... I know the importance of experience in the end of the match (or in clutch shots), but i wont play the veterans for the whole match, if they are weaker than the others.

As if you think I want Erol and Mugianto to be DNP? What would be the score if Mere is not DNP, and Farid log into the game more than 25minutes? Hey, give respect to the veterans ,,,

And Erol has stupendous ID, not prodigious :)

Yes you win on this one because only you and Erol's owner know the skill :)...

iya nih parah pelatihnya...
rahasia pemainnya dibongkar...

bro. sebelum ngelatih tim senior (kalo jadi mencalonkan) gimana kalo situ coba jadi coach u21 dulu.
kan siapa tau dari tim u21 ada yang potensial jadi pemain timnas kedepannya

brot,, klo U21, saya ngaku tak sanggup lah,, soalnya setahu saya bakal ada lebih dari 100 pemain yg harus dipantau,, bisa botak kepala saya,,,

kalo gitu siapa yang gantiin om benny?
klo orang luar juga bisa-bisa hancur juga u21-nya

kalo gitu siapa yang gantiin om benny?
klo orang luar juga bisa-bisa hancur juga u21-nya

itu lah brot,,, dari kemaren masalahnya memang sangat minim yang berminat bantu u21 ,,,