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The New Breed in Div II (Season 21)

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From: Holtz

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Date: 9/18/2012 3:50:35 PM
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I think the only real way to rate a manger is to see what they want to achieve before the season, then watch them manage (or mismanage) that goal, and see of they achieve it at the end of the season.

I am sure there are managers who have cpmpletely different goals each season. I know I have aimed for 5th on the past, aimed to win, aimed to get into the finals, ained to train a certain player a certain way.

See if managers achieve their goals, and how much it cost them to do it.

From: Skyhookz

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the discussion isnt about who is the best and who is the up and coming.. it is about the strength of specific divisions within leagues... average salaries for a league to me do not mean a league is weak or strong. each individual team needs to be judged on merit, not an overall average salary...

lets look at the great 8 -2 teams have under 200k salaries, hence dropping the league average in the ass, whereas the lowest salary in the big 8 is 270k, over 100k higher than the lowest in the great.. as a result, yes you have similar average salaries, but the top end of the great 8 is far stronger than that in the big 8...

bainsy and i have discussed this offline... i look at a conference strength from the top down.. he looks at it from the bottom up.. of course we are going to get 2 very different opinions... which 1 is right?

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Date: 9/18/2012 5:12:24 PM
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Conference strength is really about who is or who is not tanking that season, and how much they have in reserve down the line.

Lets be honest, new bloods (myself included) do not have the financial benefits of having been in D2 or the ABBL for seasons and seasons. Cashed up teams with massive arenas would always be considered stronger IMO.

Thus, I reckon the strength of D2 conferences can be judged by how many seasons in D2 or the ABBL each team has had.

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Date: 9/19/2012 8:39:03 AM
Koopasaurus
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Both are right.
Take for example. A super power like USA, do you judge its wealth by its citizens or do you judge it by how it treats its most underprivileged people?

Same with china, for every millionaire theres as many living in poverty.

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Date: 9/19/2012 9:09:09 AM
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Uhhhh..... What?

I feel like I am doing a cryptic crossword with that answer lol

Garrie Addison (18085302). The G-Adder striking blows since season 15
From: Holtz

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Date: 9/19/2012 2:51:06 PM
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6 letter, third letter is a 'v' ????? divide

From: yodabig

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That is totally correct but it doesn't make them a threat for that specific season. Bainsy, Ezlife and Skyhooks are trying to figure out right now, which conference is the toughest. Take for example Vios Violators or Viral Infecions. Both are great managers that came close to making the ABBL last season. This season they are both fully tanking trying to recover from the financial devastation of a failed promotion run. I have no doubt that both will achieve their aims this season but despite their skills, knowledge, many seasons of division II experience and massive bank accounts by the end of the season they will be providing little threat to anyone this seaon unless you meet them in a relegation series. So do you judge them by team ranking? Seasons played? Seasons in division II? How well they achieve their goal? By far the best way to gague the strength they are adding to a conference is by (the flawed method of) looking at their salaies.

From: akuma

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A good (but very time consuming) method I use to gauge the long term threat of an opponent is to look at the following things:

- Current salary
- Current players ratings in key games
- Current team ratings in key games

I also look at Arena size, ticket prices and volume of sales in each game to gauge how much money that team is making. This helps me gauge how much profit / loss they are banking each week, and the likely size of their bank.

At the end of the day though, hard statistics can only get you so far. The statistics available help us determine a teams current playing strength, as well as their economic strength. How teams are managed, and the goals of key managers can change the current state at any time. Tanking teams may suddenly buy up big, while teams at the top may sell off their teams after ASW because they are safe from relegation.






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Date: 9/19/2012 11:50:38 PM
Koopasaurus
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In other words, know your opponent inside out. Know his pets name, find out if he folds or scrunches...

Even find out his favourite colour...

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Even his BB site skin colour...

From: Kilrtom

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Date: 9/20/2012 4:22:05 AM
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theres more than red???

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